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The penny's days are numbered (Canada ends production of cent)
CBC News ^ | Mar 29, 2012 | CBC News

Posted on 03/29/2012 11:15:09 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

The federal budget is guaranteed to leave Canadians penniless — literally.

Among the victims of cutbacks outlined by Finance Minister Jim Flaherty in the government's 2012 federal budget on Thursday is Canada's one-cent coin.

Citing low purchasing power and rising production costs, the government has decided to phase the penny out of existence starting this fall, when the Royal Canadian Mint will stop distributing the one-cent coin to financial institutions.

Over time, that will lead to the penny effectively becoming extinct, although the government noted on Thursday that one-cent coins will always be accepted in cash transactions for as long as people still hold on to them.

The value of the penny has decreased to about 1/20th of its original purchasing power. Indeed, the lowly penny has fallen so far that Ottawa described it as a "burden to the economy" in a pamphlet explaining the change on Thursday.

In part because of rising prices for the metals it's made of, it actually costs 1.6 cents to produce every penny. The government estimates it loses $11 million a year producing and distributing the penny, and that doesn't include the costs and frustrations for businesses and consumers that use them in transactions.

A 2008 report by Quebec-based bank Desjardins estimated the penny's existence cost Canada's economy about $150 million in 2006. Canada's big banks alone handle more than nine billion pennies a year, which costs them $20 million annually to process.

The solution Ottawa is proposing is to do away with the penny in cash transactions. Instead of fiddling with a few cents at the cash register, prices will be rounded up or down to the nearest five-cent increment.

That rounding will happen after any applicable sales taxes have been implemented.

Take a cup of coffee in Medicine Hat, Alta., that currently costs $1.80 and is subject to five per cent GST. A consumer today would pay $1.89 for that drink. Once the penny plan is implemented, that price would be rounded up to $1.90.

But the nickel and diming can work both ways. A sandwich combo at a deli in Oakville, Ont., that today costs $4.86 after HST would round down to $4.85 under the plan.

A 2005 study by the Bank of Canada concluded that doing away with the penny wouldn't lead to any inflation. And Ottawa says similar systems implemented in Norway, Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere didn't lead to systemic price increases.

Pennies themselves will continue to hold their inherent cash value, so Canadians can always trade them in at financial institutions, a government press release was quick to note.

But banks will then return those pennies to the mint for recycling into their base materials. That means before too long, the penny will be mostly removed from the Canadian economy — except for the jars in Canadians' closets.

Credit, debit and cheque transactions will be unaffected, so one cent is still going to be the base unit of Canadian currency.

But once the mint stops cranking out the 7,000 tonnes worth of pennies a year it currently makes, there's going to be a lot less copper jiggling in the pockets of Canadians.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: currency; pennies; penny
With any luck, we'll see the light and stop minting pennies sometime soon as well. Heck, the last coin denomination we stopped making, the half-cent, had more than ten-times the purchasing power as the current penny. If that decision was fine with America in 1857, then we can sleep easy without the penny.
1 posted on 03/29/2012 11:15:12 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

It won’t be long before we have a $5.00 coin, to jingle in our pockets along with loonies and twoonies. It’ll be worth what a quarter was worth originally.


2 posted on 03/29/2012 11:25:46 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: JerseyanExile

I just bought 500’ of copper 12-2 and paid $180+ for it... no wonder thugs steal it.


3 posted on 03/29/2012 11:28:12 PM PDT by C210N (Mitt "Severe Etch-a-Sketch" Romney is the front-runner? Seriously??)
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To: JerseyanExile

The good times.


4 posted on 03/29/2012 11:44:53 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: JerseyanExile

“But once the mint stops cranking out the 7,000 tonnes worth of pennies a year it currently makes, there’s going to be a lot less copper jiggling in the pockets of Canadians.”

But not in American pockets, thanks to supermarket cash registers across America.


5 posted on 03/30/2012 12:11:05 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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How long before some Obama shill decides we need to send foreign aid to Canada in the form of a trainlod of American pennies.


6 posted on 03/30/2012 2:49:49 AM PDT by Einherjar
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To: JerseyanExile

And get rid of the filthy, disease-carrying dollar bills. They only fro months before they’re shredded and dumped in land fills. Print more Two Dollar Bills, and force people to use dollar coins, that last for decades!


7 posted on 03/30/2012 4:10:21 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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“A 2005 study by the Bank of Canada concluded that doing away with the penny wouldn’t lead to any inflation.”

It doesn’t cause inflation; it is the SYMPTOM of inflation. You’re right, Canada already changed their $1 and $2 over to coin (but they did it well; vending machines very quickly accepted both, and the paper versions disappeared quickly). It does suck when you use $20 bill for a $6 item, and the clerk hands you back 7 Kennedy-half sized $2 coins (two-nies) for change.

Anyone here ever just walk around with 7 Kennedy halves in your pockets for no reason?


8 posted on 03/30/2012 4:15:58 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: I see my hands

Ahhhh! Penny! One of my first crushes!


9 posted on 03/30/2012 4:19:14 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: I see my hands

Flying Cloud Ranch memories.


10 posted on 03/30/2012 4:21:16 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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Oops! Should have been Flying Crown. Weak coffee this AM.


11 posted on 03/30/2012 4:23:33 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: JerseyanExile
With any luck, we'll see the light and stop minting pennies sometime soon as well. Heck, the last coin denomination we stopped making, the half-cent, had more than ten-times the purchasing power as the current penny. If that decision was fine with America in 1857, then we can sleep easy without the penny.

Amen. Zeugma's proposal for currency reform would work like this.

  1. Drop the penny. For obvious reasons. It is worthless
  2. Drop the nickel. According to federal minimum wage laws, one minute's worth of work is at least worth a dime. It doesn't make sense to have coinage that is less than a minutes worth of wages.
  3. We already have $1 coins, so nothing needed there.
  4. Start producing $5 coins. 
  5. Drop the dollar bill.
  6. Start printing $500 bills again.  - In 1930, you could buy a car with a single single bill. The government's war on (some) drugs has been extraordinarily detrimental in many ways. Currency control tiny denominations is but one of them. Fedgov would hate this one especially
  7. Start printing $1000 bills again. (Ditto above.)

All of the above could be accomplished along with a general resizing of the different denominations of coins as well. We'd be good to go until the Fed had inflated us up another hundred-fold.

12 posted on 03/30/2012 7:20:02 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: I see my hands
Out of the blue of the Western sky ...
13 posted on 03/30/2012 7:20:17 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "If Greece has been knocking back the ouzo, we're face down in the vat.")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Penny!

(knock, knock, knock)

Penny!

(knock, knock, knock)

Penny!

(knock, knock, knock)

(Big Bang Theory fans will get this)

14 posted on 03/30/2012 7:22:06 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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Penny’s not here. She’s with Dave. Dave’s not here.


15 posted on 03/30/2012 7:28:02 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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