Posted on 03/16/2012 12:28:02 PM PDT by Candor7
Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin. … The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.
The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.
The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care.
You and your stinkin' facts have ruined another perfectly good conspiracy theory.
Sadly, not for all.
The Hon. Joseph Miller wrote the following:
"But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by the _resident or Secretary Klint0n.
"The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care."
Bennett Island was named after James Gordon Bennett, Jr. publisher of the New York Herald, who sponsored an expedition to the area.
But Herald Island wasn't named after the newspaper but after a British ship, the HMS Herald.
Exactly. You hit the nail right on the Thackney Thick head.
Wow, insults and talking about a Freeper without pinging him.
Very nice.
What did you think about the 1965 Department of State giving the modern coordinates confirmering the lines described in the original 1867 treaty?
D. Denardo v. State of Alaska (12/23/94),
THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF ALASKA
http://touchngo.com/sp/html/sp-4156.htm
Daniel DeNardo claims interests in five islands which lie north of Siberia in the Arctic Ocean: Wrangel, Herald, Henrietta, Bennett and Jeannette. When he attempted to record these interests in the Nome recording district, the recorder refused to accept DeNardo’s documents, taking the position that the islands are not within the Nome recording district.
DeNardo sued, seeking equitable relief and damages. He alleged that “[t]he State of Alaska being responsible for the designation of the recording district must designate a place of recordation for plaintiff's property rights as it has recorded other’s [sic] property rights in the state of Alaska.”
The State moved to dismiss, claiming that it lacks authority to designate recording districts for the Arctic Islands. The State's motion was granted. DeNardo appeals. We affirm.
The Arctic Islands are not located within the Nome recording district or any of the State's other thirty-three recording districts. Under AS 40.17.020(a), DeNardo’s documents may not be recorded in any recording district in Alaska.
Moreover, the State has no duty to create a recording district for the Arctic Islands, as it is not governing them. The question of sovereignty over the Arctic Islands is a subject committed to the executive and legislative branches of the United States government. See United States v. Louisiana, 363 U.S. 1, 35 (1960). Until and unless the United States government indicates that the Arctic Islands are part of the State of Alaska, the State has no duty to accept for recording documents affecting title to real property on the islands.
It does not matter what the court has ruled. It is a claim that can be still made. And the abandonment of the claim could have severe repercussions on oil exploration. This is Joe Millar’s point, and one you seem to insist on continuing to miss. Why?
I was talking about you? Hardly.
Quote:Posted to Brown Deer.
"Exactly. You hit the nail right on the Thackney Thick head."
Thats hardly talking about you or insulting. Its factually correct. You do not know the rudiments of international territorial claims, nor why claims of sovereignty are still made no matter how far fetched they might seem according to maps or adjudications. Just passing by and planting a flag is enough to anchor a claim. Subsequent activity often vitiates the claim.
The Chinese claim the Spratley Islands, when in fact no international map has ever showed them as Chinese. The Russians claim parts of Northern Canada, although no maps show that Russia has ever been part of the Canadian North they claimed by planting a Russian flag on the sea floor via submarine.
You fail to separate soevereign strategy from what you call adjudicated fact. This is a somewhat serious lapse, but one which you seem to continue to cling to. Well have at it.
Do we have enough claim to the area to send in oil exploration rigs accompanied by several US Navy war ships? Likely. But unikely to happen with Obama's apologetic, anti-capitalist, anti-oil energy foreign policy.
Joe Miller thinks its a serious oil exploration policy lapse and one which needs to be publicized.I agree with Joe.
Obama's ideology is hurting our nation.This is but one example of how nefarious the problem is and why he needs to begone.
What does that description mean to you? How can it put Copper Island in US territory when it was defined to be on the Russian side?
the whole of the Aleutian Islands
That part is true. But Copper Island is not part of the Aleutians, as the treaty stated and referenced in many sources including the Encyclopedia Britannica. In the treaty, it clearly states "Copper Island of the Kormandorski couplet or group".
So I agree with the 1867 treaty, the 1965 Department of State, the 1990 maritime boundary agreement, the 1994 Alaska Supreme Court Ruling, the 2003 Fact Sheet from the Department of State, but I (and I guess all of them) do not know the rudiments of international territorial claim.
Got it.
And when you use my name, you are not talking about me.
Got it.
Still Sad...
;-)
“Still Sad...”
Pathos or bathos - that is the question!
It would appear that one can now get a Groupon for lobotomies - who knew?
You haven't done this yet.
But to appease you, for starters, all of the Hawaiian Islands are east of the 193° Meridian. Of course the treaty doesn't define the 193° meridian as the border, it is the end of the angled border.
Why don't you try answering one of the questions you keep avoiding:
so as to pass midway between the island of Attou and the Copper Island of the Kormandorski couplet
What does that description mean to you?
Out of curiosity (and I do apologize if this has been mentioned in the thread-—my FRee time is zero. I’m replying at work) wouldn’t this considered a treaty ? Wouldn’t the Imperial Senate have to approve this ?
I know I’m being a tad naive here, but I still hope for happy endings.
It was a treaty. It was done in 1867. The 1990 Agreement between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the maritime boundary starts with the following:
The Parties agree that the line described as the “western limit” in article 1 of the 1867 Convention, as defined in article 2 of this Agreement, is the maritime boundary between the United States and the Soviet Union.
They made no changes to the original treaty. Only clarified how the new claims of 200 nautical miles maritime boundary was handled as the nations are closer at this point than 400 nm, ie, the 200 nm from each side overlap.
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/USA-RUS1990MB.PDF
No president, including Obama, has done any action on this since 1990.
The whole of the Aleutian Islands from Attou east is included in the US territory.
As the the treaty stated, Copper Island is part of the Kormandorski couplet, not the Aleutian Islands. Just as the map you posted in #57 showed, the Western end of the Aleutians ends at Attou.
Are you trying to claim that Copper Island, separated by over 200 miles from Attou is part of the Aleutian Islands but Behring, about 30 miles from Copper is not? The 193 meridian divides these two.
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