Posted on 03/15/2012 10:14:05 AM PDT by marktwain
The man shot by Washington County tactical officers in New Columbia Tuesday night had grabbed a gun because he thought intruders were on his property after his wife had checked on their barking dog in their backyard and saw a stranger in dark clothing.
Alberto Flores-Haro, according to relatives and witnesses, did not know that the men surrounding his home and neighborhood Tuesday night were authorities approaching to raid a residence just a few doors down from his home in the 9500 block of North Woolsey Avenue.
"There was someone in our backyard, and my mom called our stepdad," said Daniel Ibarra. "He told me to go upstairs and get the gun."
Ibarra, 17, said he didn't know where it was, and Flores-Haro followed him up the stairs and retrieved it. Ibarra said a stranger came through the home, and left through the front door.
Neighbor Juan Soto Martinez, 16, who lives across a walkway from Flores-Haro's home, said he heard Flores at his front door yelling with a man, who seemed to be outside, on the side of his house. Then, he heard multiple gunshots.
Ibarra found his stepdad collapsed in the front doorway of their home, shot in one arm and twice in the stomach, and called 9-1-1 about 10 p.m.
" I grabbed a rag and put pressure on his forearm," Ibarra recalled, and told his mother to grab a towel from the kitchen and place pressure on Flores' torso wounds.
GS.51SHOT115-02.jpgView full size Ibarra said his family had no idea that the men surrounding their home in tactical uniforms of army green were from the Washington County Sheriff's Office's Tactical Negotiation Team, who were assisting police.
He said of his dad, "I think he just wanted to scare them away. He didn't know who they were."
While his father lay bleeding, Ibarra said he was ordered out of the house.
"Once I stepped outside, I was ordered to get on the ground," said Ibarra, a Roosevelt High School senior.
He said the rest of his family, his mother and four other children from ages 5 and 13, were ordered to get out of the house, and then tactical officers grabbed his stepdad and carried him to a waiting ambulance.
Flores-Haro, 31, remains in serious condition at Legacy Emanuel Medical Center.
In a release this afternoon, Portland police said three members of the Washington County Tactical Negotiations Team were involved in the shooting: one Hillsboro police officer and two Washington County Sheriff's deputies.
While Sgt. Pete Simpson said early today "there was an exchange of gunfire,'' police said later this afternoon that detectives have not determined if Flores-Haro fired any shots at police. Police also said that the officers "repeatedly identified themselves as law enforcement officers.''
"Preliminary information released at the scene was than an exchange of gunfire occurred. However, detectives have been searching for shell casings at the scene, which is lined by a heavily wood area. A handgun was recovered at the scene, but detectives have not determined if the man shot at police.''
Mayor Sam Adams also released a statement: "The City takes incidents such as this very seriously. As with any officer-involved shooting, there will be a thorough investigation and we will make sure every element is examined.''
This morning, Portland police have said only that the man shot by officers had approached police with a handgun as officers were getting ready to serve a search warrant at a nearby, unrelated location.
Simpson said this morning that as police prepared to approach an apartment to execute a search warrant that a man from a nearby apartment emerged with a handgun. Simpson did not know if the man fired first or how many shots officers fired. He said only that "there was an exchange of gunfire." No officer was shot.
Police later in the night did serve a search warrant at a home just doors down from Flores' house on North Woolsey Avenue, and arrested Anthony Bagsby, 20, and Cocoa Tapli, 16, who face accusations of attempted aggravated murder in connection with a Sunday night gang-related shooting and robbery on North Woolsey Avenue.
Portland Lt. Robert King declined to release any more details on the officer-involved shooting. He declined to release the name of the man shot, or explain why police were withholding the name. King also declined to answer whether the tactical officers had identified themselves as police outside Flores' home.
Portland had a mobile command center set up at the site through the night, and left about 10 a.m. today.
Many residents in the neighborhood said they got little sleep after they heard the gunshots. Some reported hearing between four and five, others said six or seven.
Martinez, who lives across from Flores' home, said he was watching TV in his living room, and caring for his younger brothers and sisters because their mom wasn't home at the time.
"I heard like four or five shots," Martinez said. When he looked out his window, "Alberto was laying in the front of his home, bleeding."
Martinez said he told his younger siblings to "get down," and then took them to an upstairs bathroom.
Residents in the area described Flores as a family man and a good neighbor, who worked loading trucks. They described him as in his 30s.
"He's a good neighbor," said Maria Bosyuk, who lives next door to Flores. She said her children heard the shooting and couldn't sleep.
"It sounded like three, then three more" shots, said Michelle Clopton, who lives on North Woolsey Avenue.
As she went to call 9-1-1, she heard police shouting commands to someone on a megaphone."The cops were on a loud speaker, saying 'Come out with your hands up!' Clopton said, who kept peeking out her window.
Another resident who asked not to be named said she was lying in bed when she heard six to seven gunshots. "I grabbed my phone to call police and noticed they were already all outside," she said.
scenephoto.jpgView full sizeMaxine Bernstein/The OregonianHome where Alberto Flores-Haro was shot, pictured far right. Building in foreground is location where tactical officers were readying to raid with a search warrant last night. She said the police orders via megaphone came much later, at least an hour or so: "Come out of the house! Do it now!"
An officer instructed her to stay in the back of her house, she said, and she was worried about the many children in the neighborhood.
"I was sitting in my living room and heard a lot of shots," said Dorine Nafziger, a North Woolsey Avenue resident who lives with her husband and 3-year-old son.
She and her husband went upstairs and looked out their back window.
"We saw the big SWAT tank and a lot of officers in army green suits, helmets and shields," Nafziger said.
She got on Facebook to share information with other neighbors to figure out what was going on. At one point , she said she saw police lead five people from a home in handcuffs.
"It freaks us out," Nafziger said. "It's not the first time something like this has happened in our neighborhood." Sonja Andreas said the gunshots came in what she described as two staccato explosions. Then she said, she heard a lot of yelling and screaming.
She called 9-1-1 and said she was told, "Don't worry, there's a police action happening right now."
But Andreas said she didn't see the usual marked police cars, but a large armored vehicle, and men in what looked like military-type garb.
Tactical teams from Portland, Washington and Clackamas counties routinely rely on each other. Simpson said officers on these teams train with each other and are "fairly interchangeable." Washington County's tactical team is comprised of officers from multiple police agencies and was assisting Portland police last night as Portland's tactical team was in training.
Simpson did not know how many officers fired on the suspect or which agencies they represent.
--Maxine Bernstein
“If you think I am “over the top,” please consider that Obama/Holder already crossed the mass-murder-for-political-gain Rubicon with “Operation Fast And Furious” and other related “gunwal”king” schemes.”
And so far, nobody has done a thing about it. One FReeper
posted yesterday, that Boehner is leaning on Issa to lay off.
If true, who is Boehner taking orders from?
“If the police need additional weapons for OMGWTFBBQ situations, call on the local militia. It is what we are supposed to be here for...”
Exactly!
“They have more than enough to push over this entire Administration, and they act as if their feet are glued to the floor.
Disgusting.”
They have MORE than enough to take Obama/Holder down. I have never seen a House & Senate so completely euthanized.
The media has been completely silenced by Soros/Obama. So how do we get the truth out, with no help from the Republicans in D.C., and no media?
Nobody is backing Issa in public, so I have to believe...
1)Obama has got something on Boehner
2)Nobody wants to go after Obama, because they are afraid
they might get negative press, and lose their cushy job.
Or, BOTH of the above.
Nobody is backing Issa in public, so I have to believe...
1)Obama has got something on Boehner
2)Nobody wants to go after Obama, because they are afraid
they might get negative press, and lose their cushy job.
Or, BOTH of the above.
Nobody is backing Issa in public, so I have to believe...
1)Obama has got something on Boehner
2)Nobody wants to go after Obama, because they are afraid
they might get negative press, and lose their cushy job.
Or, BOTH of the above.
....but I repeat myself : )
It is right there in the article if you choose to READ IT!
What steps and preparations could a private citizen legally take to make a "mistaken" SWAT raid more expensive, in the Solzhenitsyn sense?
“Police later in the night did serve a search warrant at a home just doors down from Flores’ house on North Woolsey Avenue, and arrested Anthony Bagsby, 20, and Cocoa Tapli, 16, who face accusations of ATTEMPTED aggravated murder”
Try telling the truth....there was no murder, and this was INSANE overkill by the cops.
“The police appear to be pretty much out of control in many places.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Yep, now would someone please tell us where this does NOT appear to be the case.
In the counties where the County Sheriffs are waking up to their Constitutional duties. Like the ones who attended the conference in Nevada recently. If you haven’t watched the videos, you should. They had 2 days closed to the public and one day open, the speeches are from the open to the public day.
Very encouraging.
BTW the latest Ulsterman Interview (Wall Street Insider) for those who are interested, mentions a group in the mil have been looking into Zero seriously...
Here is a statement police released on the incident Wednesday morning:
“On Tuesday March 13, 2012, at approximately 10:00 p.m., an officer-involved shooting occurred in the 9500 block of North Woolsey Avenue. Members of the Washington County Sheriff’s Office Tactical Negotiation Team (TNT) were assisting Portland Police Bureau Gang Enforcement Team Detectives by serving a search warrant related to a robbery and shooting that occurred on Sunday March 11, 2012.
“Sunday’s shooting occurred at approximately 11:17 p.m., outside a residence in the 9600 block of North Woolsey Avenue. The victim, 20-year-old Jose Monroy, was shot by a black male during an apparent robbery. The shooting was not initially believed to be gang-related but additional information uncovered by investigators led them to believe that the suspects might be gang associates.
“Gang Enforcement Team detectives began immediately investigating the shooting and they developed information resulting in arrest warrants for the two suspects: 20-year-old Anthony Bagsby and 16-year-old Cocoa Taplin. Additionally, the detectives obtained a search warrant for a residence in the 9500 block of North Woolsey Avenue.
“Taplin was taken into custody by officers in the neighborhood near the residence. Bagsby remained inside the residence. Due to the high risk nature of the search warrant, the tactical team was requested to serve the warrant. Due to the Portland Police Bureau’s Special Emergency Reaction Team (SERT) being unavailable due to training, the Washington County Sheriff’s Office TNT responded to assist in the search warrant service.
“As TNT members were on foot approaching the search warrant location, they were confronted by a 31-year-old male suspect armed with a handgun and an exchange of gunfire occurred, resulting in the man suffering a gunshot wound. The suspect emerged from an unrelated address to the search warrant location and at this time it does not appear that he has any connection to the search warrant location. The suspect was transported to an area hospital where he was last reported to be in serious condition.
“TNT members were able to secure the location of the shooting, and then continue to the original location to serve the search warrant. Bagsby was located at the residence and taken into custody. A subsequent search of the residence located a handgun investigators believe was used during Sunday’s robbery and shooting.
“20-year-old Anthony Bagsby was booked into the Multnomah County Jail for Attempted Murder, Assault in the First Degree and Robbery in the First Degree.
“16-year-old Cocoa Taplin was booked into the Donald E. Long Juvenile Detention Home for Attempted Murder, Assault in the First Degree and Robbery in the First Degree.
“Detectives from the Portland Police Bureau’s Homicide Detail are investigating the circumstances of the officer-involved shooting.
No additional details on the officer-involved shooting can be released at this time.”
Koin Local 6 contributed to this story.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=133173091734562800
OK, was it Barzini or Hyman Roth who tried to assassinate the Corlenoes, or maybe it was both.
Oops! that is Corleone not Corlenoe. I thought it was Tatallia who tried to get Vito and Hyman Roth who went after Michael.
Intruders were not only on his property, one of them *entered his home*.
Unacceptable in a free country.
NO excuse for this.
Read post 84, then your post 150, where you use the word “murder” several times. This was botched from the word go, and WAY out of line for the cops to go through a neighbors house. There was no reason to do that.
“Either:
1) you understand the point that I’m making and are intentionally using sophistry for whatever purpose you might have.
OR
2) you don’t understand the point I’m making, and you accidently used fallacy to make”
Might I suggest a third option?:
3) the other poster is neither employing sophistry nor falacious, but rather you are muddle-headed and a bad arguer and don’t want to continue because you’re losing.
This is worth a repost..
“To: Travis McGee
How easy and inexpensive would it be with an unmarked car/van conducting surveillance on the suspect location, until he walks out to leave. He’s away from the home, outside the door, with no access to anything inside, and simple put him under arrest, then search the home if a legitimate warrant has been secured.
No innocent neighbors shot to death or close to it, no stray rounds into the neighbors homes, no citizens hitting the floor from armed commando swat teams opening up in the neighborhood, no command posts, no tanks or armored vehicles, flash bangs, etc.
113 posted on Thursday, March 15, 2012 2:55:01 PM by dragnet2”
“This is where ‘urban’ becomes a problem. You can’t surround a dangerous felon without some trespass going on”
Then you can’t surround a dangerous felon, because there needs be more of a justification for tresspass than “the criminal might flee that way if we ambush him as planned.” I am so terribly sick of people’s rights being subject to the cops’ convenience.
“They were serving a warrant on someone for aggravated murder”
Attempted murder.
“It is unfortunate the man was shot, but the SWAT and police were looking for someone who had committed murder and would be armed and dangerous.”
Nope on the murder and maybe on the armed and dangerous. But since when do cops have to set off the trap to get around it? Direct assualt with overwhelming force is not the only answer. They could try doing some actual cop work instead of the automatic siege default.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.