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What the heck is happening to the drug supply in this country??? (VANITY)
2/29/2012 | Surrounded by blue

Posted on 02/29/2012 12:37:51 PM PST by surroundedbyblue

I"m a nurse anesthetist, and I just got a work-related email from my boss. Basically it said "please conserve midazolam, fentanyl, morphine, and hydromorphone.....supplies are CRITICALLY short & the hospital is struggling to maintain supplies".

Um, ok. The last time I checked, this was the United States, not Crapistan. How are we "critically short" on all of the major anesthesia drugs that we use??? Am I supposed to offer the patient a bullet to bite?

Are there any FReepers out there who have ties to the pharm industry and can explain this? Speaking with others throughout the hospital, I have learned there are critical drug shortages in the ICU, ER, and oncology areas.


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To: surroundedbyblue

We were short of Sufenta today. One of our Neuro guys wanted to use it for a neuromonitored patient so as not to dampen the EEG trace during surgery but was told, “It’s too costly.”
When you start rationing and cost containment shortages happen.
It will only get worse...


41 posted on 02/29/2012 1:09:00 PM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: UCANSEE2
Creation of new laws and regulations which shut down profitable businesses and they are then bought up by large conglomerates. Regulations also control the quantity of supply to force higher ‘costs’. The government and big pharma then become ‘partners’ in big business, and this health care plan is just a way or ‘dictating’ what the markets will be in supplies so that the large conglomerates do not have to deal with such things as ‘competition’ and a changing market.

It’s all about the money, honey.


Yup ... and it just didn't start with Zero.

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42 posted on 02/29/2012 1:09:59 PM PST by khelus
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To: trailhkr1
There is no conspiracy out there.

Other than greed and a socialist trending government.

43 posted on 02/29/2012 1:10:53 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: dforest
"We must pass this bill to find out what's in it!"

I wonder which section outlined "drug shortages"?

I suggest that any patient that voted for Obama, Pelsoi or Reid be the first to be denied or under dosed with anesthesia drugs during surgery.

44 posted on 02/29/2012 1:14:03 PM PST by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: trailhkr1

Most likely caused by government meddling.

When the government starts meddling, Shi* happens. I would have to first look at why the drug companies are having problems. Bet it links back to government in one way or another.

Most things wrong at the moment link to Obama as causing the problem, or as making a problem worse.’

I can think of NOTHING that has improved since Obama.


45 posted on 02/29/2012 1:14:22 PM PST by dforest
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To: khelus
"You can have it all"


46 posted on 02/29/2012 1:14:55 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I have lived in China, Eastern Europe and other countries.

It is the direct and unavoidable route of state-management and price controls. It is the same everywhere. The details are always different, but the result is always the same. What you will see (and what we are seeing) is attacks on the suppliers - they are profiteering, hoarding, etc.. etc..

I do believe that in another 10 years, we will see that there will develop a large black-market in medicine. You will need to bribe doctors to see them, as is normal practice in places like China and Russia.

Also, medical tourism will become a booming business - for those who can afford it.


47 posted on 02/29/2012 1:16:34 PM PST by PGR88
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To: trailhkr1
“Before blaming this entirely on obama...drug companies have not been keeping up with this either.”

America has traditionally had by far the best pharmaceutical industry in the world. Most of the drugs were invented and developed in the U.S. The most advanced manufacturing was in the U.S. The government, particularly the Obama Administration sees drug companies as the enemy. Trial lawyers see them as an easy target.

As a result of this harsh regulatory environment and the general anti-business policies of the Obama Administration some of the drug manufacturing capacity in the U.S. has shut down.

The remaining manufacturing faces much tougher and frankly stupid regulations making it more difficult to manufacture drugs in the U.S.

Add to that the price regulations imposed by the Obama regime and it simply doesn't make sense to manufacture in the U.S.

More drugs now come from overseas but this supply is far less reliable.

It is Obama’s fault, directly or indirectly. It is part of a pattern to turn America into a backward third world country. And they hope people like you won't be intelligent enough to understand what they are doing.

48 posted on 02/29/2012 1:17:17 PM PST by detective
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To: khelus
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Why do you think those great CFC inhalers were removed from the market and replaced by more expensive inferior products?

Because the manufacturer of the the new cheaper ones donated a bunch of money to the right politicians. These new inhalers, just where are they manufactured?

49 posted on 02/29/2012 1:17:52 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Independent Payment Advisory Board
50 posted on 02/29/2012 1:18:43 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Dundee

“Looks like there’s something wrong with the global supply system.”

I guess if this turns into a crisis, the White House and Congress will have no option but to move quickly with a comprehensive bill to fix it! 3600 pages, and it must be passed NOW!

Hegelian Marxist Dialectic at work here. Make a problem, fix it with a left-leaning solution.


51 posted on 02/29/2012 1:19:17 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Liberty Valance

For itself and the chosen elite plus the bare minimum necessary serfs to do the actual work needed.


52 posted on 02/29/2012 1:19:57 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: surroundedbyblue

My doctor told me a month or two ago that there was a huge scarcity of lidocaine and xylocaine too. He was forced to cut his dosages in half, then quarters as his stock shrunk, to be able to give his patients at least a tiny bit of relief.


53 posted on 02/29/2012 1:21:13 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: detective
It is Obama’s fault, directly or indirectly

According to my Fox News link the problem has been going on for 6 years now. As much as I don't like Obama Care (my GF works in a hospital) I'm not letting the drug companies off the hook either. They are partially to blame and to blame it all on obama is not solving the problem.

54 posted on 02/29/2012 1:22:22 PM PST by trailhkr1
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To: surroundedbyblue

“What the heck is happening to the drug supply in this country?”

One word: O-B-A-M-A


55 posted on 02/29/2012 1:25:19 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Steamburg
“There may be no conspiracy on the side of the Drug Companies, but there’s one hell of a conspiracy by those who wish to nationalize them.
Can we say Hugo Obama?”

I certainly suspect that Obamacare and even the Federal agencies before Obamacare but under his direction. Control medications and look at the leverage you have. Supplies to favored hospitals and companies and limitations to Catholic hospitals for instance. Later on, good access to health care for Obama supporters and groups. Take a number for conservatives and other enemies of the state.

56 posted on 02/29/2012 1:25:34 PM PST by Truth29
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To: trailhkr1
“According to my Fox News link the problem has been going on for 6 years now”

My wife and several of my relatives work in the medical field. As do some of my close friends. The problem 6 years ago was extremely minor. It was not serious like it has been over the last few years. The problem is getting much worse. It is far worse this year than it was last year. It was worse last year than the year before. A very minor problem has been turned into a big problem by the Obama Administration. And it will only get worse.

57 posted on 02/29/2012 1:27:52 PM PST by detective
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To: trailhkr1
They are partially to blame and to blame it all on obama is not solving the problem.

True. It is the system, and the President can only add or detract to the direction the system is going.

And there is little he can do, without the complete and complicit assistance of a network of crooks (or what some call elected/appointed officials).

58 posted on 02/29/2012 1:29:21 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: DBrow
It is my understanding that drug companies decide there isn't enough profit in say fentanly so they decide on Jan 31 they will quite manufacturing it. This company has a 20% market share. They get out of the business and there is now twenty percent less on the market because they didn't notify their competitors. Take the drug used for patent PDA’s in neonates. The drug Indomethacin used to cost about $5 dollars but is now $50.00 to 1$100 because there is only on manufacture and he now has all the liablity! I am a Nurse anesthetist and I have substituted Bervital for propofol, used Morphine instead of fentanyl and used valium instead of versed (madazolam) Many drugs manufactured over seas do not met American testing and purity standards so importing can be difficult!
59 posted on 02/29/2012 1:30:07 PM PST by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: Liberty Valance
I’d say the government is stockpiling anticipating SHTF.

But not for the great unwashed. Just for the politicians and their rich cronies, in case THEY need the stuff.
60 posted on 02/29/2012 1:31:19 PM PST by crosshairs (Maranatha!)
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