Posted on 02/26/2012 8:22:10 AM PST by tobyhill
The head of a Texas company that plans to build a plant in Carbon County to turn coal into gasoline told state lawmakers Saturday that the project promises not only jobs and tax revenues but also would help the nation produce more energy domestically.
Robert Kelly, chairman of DKRW Advanced Fuels of Houston, addressed the Legislature's Joint Minerals, Business and Economic Development Interim Committee in Cheyenne. He said the project promised to help national security and energy security.
"Where do you want to get your oil from? Where do you want to get your gas from?" Kelly said. "Do you want to get it from Iran? Do you want to get it from Venezuela, or do you want to get it from Wyoming?"
DKRW proposes to build its plant near Medicine Bow, a town of roughly 300 people about 100 miles west of Cheyenne. The company proposes to transform coal mined underground at the site into 10,600 barrels of gasoline per day, which it says it has already contracted to sell in the Denver market.
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Coal to gas or algae to diesel? Guess who gets fed money?
BTW, South Africa, after the apartheid boycotts, moved to syn gas. We have enough coal and shale to supply centuries of energy.
Not new technology. The Germans were using a coal to gas blend in the 30's and 40's.
a feller who is now retired from the energy business, once told me that he had worked for a company who made coal into what sounded like energy pellets, in the 70’s during the oil shortage.....sounded like something about the size of a football, but shaped like a 3 dimensional slot. He thought the technology led to oil loosening up....
It’ll never get through the EPA as long as the EPA exist.
Anybody who proposes a method of creating cheap energy can expect a visit from Eric Holder's people.
Nazi used several coal to liquids processes to convert
coal into gasoline or diesel fuel
Bergius Process
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergius_process
Fisher-Tropsch Process
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process
Problem has been in high capital investment
Remember when worked for EXXON had huge library filled with
studies of coal to liquids
Only ecomonically viable when oil above $70/barrell (this
was 1990s)
When can pump oil out of ground for $.50 barrell in Saudi Arabia was not fesible
North Dakota has been turning cheap lignite coal into natural gas for years. I remember the environmental opposition way back when, claims of acid rain, blah blah blah.
The numbers below come from a North Dakota informational website but I don’t know the significance of the quantities.
“In 1981, the federal government approved a $2 billion loan for construction of America’s first commercial-scale synthetic gas plant near Beulah. Today, the Great Plains Synfuels Plant, as it is called, is owned by the Dakota Gasification Company and converts 18,000 tons of lignite into 160 million cubic feet of substitute natural gas daily.”
Yes, Coal Gassification was tried here, in the ‘70’s. It is costly, has a great deal of toxic waste to deal with, generates huge amounts of sulfur and Carbon Dioxide. They scapped the plan long ago.
And of course, it would have to be subsidized by the taxpayers, very much like Ethanol.
There was a guy out in Utah a couple of years ago that was producing diesel from coal. The process produced almost no carbon emmissions and was very eco friendly. Sadly he was encroaching on 2 of my fiancee’s gassification patents and several others. Now he is in jail for patent fraud. The gassification can be done cleanly.
Yep. If this were such a game-changer, he'd be able to raise his capital in the private market. That he needs several hundred million from the government says all we need to know.
To all the Poo-Poo-er's out their that say this can't be done...
Google some of the Patents and or R & D going on with the Fischer Tropsch Process. It has come along way since the German's did it.
IMHO this should be a national security priority with "JP" fuels from this Conversion dedicated to our Military (With it's NATO JP Fuel Requirement) and our Domestic Airline Fleet.
Coal to gas or algae to diesel? Guess who gets fed money?
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All the above without Fed $$$$, let the marketplace and innovators decide.
“IMHO this should be a national security priority with “JP” fuels from this Conversion dedicated to our Military (With it’s NATO JP Fuel Requirement) and our Domestic Airline Fleet”
I hate to tell you that the govt could care less. My fiancee’ went to DC and met with the Feds trying to get them interested in his stuff. Couldn’t get the time of day.
Heard the same crap about recovering oil from shale. The target price was something like $40/bbl. Where were these guys when oil was trading for over $100/bbl? I guess we are starting to make progress w/ shale but it's not large scale and doesn't seem to be affecting prices (yet).
Regards,
GtG
What kind of silly game is this? We can make gasoline out of anything we want except for the oil it’s naturally and relatively easily made out of?
Calling Michael Savage. “Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder”.
The politics of Washington, D.C. Is a filthy pit of corruption and crime.
I know. I get the Captain Obvious suit to wear today.
hehe
Alternative energy is, well, energy intensive to produce. Meaning its costs will rise along with any aggregate energy costs. Plenty of opportunities on the fringes of the energy business, but large-scale civilization-making energy going to remain somewhat traditional.
When THE big breakthrough comes, it won’t be from any kind of government manipulation.
A Lot of morons ,some on this thread say this can’t be done. It can : the only thing stopping it and this company is the Obama and or government entities like the EPA.
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