Posted on 02/19/2012 6:57:55 AM PST by SJackson
The Muslim Students Association is a Muslim Brotherhood group. The NYPD was monitoring it. So what? As long as no Constitutional protections were genuinely violated, the NYPD is just doing its job. The purpose of articles like this is to stop them from doing that job, which will have the effect, intended or not, of allowing the jihadist and Islamic supremacist activities of the MSAs to advance unimpeded.
Discover the Networks here has documentation of the MSA's ties to the Brotherhood, as well as a lengthy list of inflammatory, jihadist statements and jihad activities by MSA members.
"NYPD monitored Muslim students all over Northeast," by Chris Hawley for the Associated Press, February 18 (thanks to all who sent this in):
NEW YORK—The New York Police Department monitored Muslim college students far more broadly than previously known, at schools far beyond the city limits, including the Ivy League colleges of Yale and the University of Pennsylvania, The Associated Press has learned.
Police talked with local authorities about professors 300 miles away in Buffalo and even sent an undercover agent on a whitewater rafting trip, where he recorded students' names and noted in police intelligence files how many times they prayed.
Detectives trawled Muslim student websites every day and, although professors and students had not been accused of any wrongdoing, their names were recorded in reports prepared for Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.
Asked about the monitoring, police spokesman Paul Browne provided a list of 12 people arrested or convicted on terrorism charges in the United States and abroad who had once been members of Muslim student associations, which the NYPD referred to as MSAs. Jesse Morton, who this month pleaded guilty to posting online threats against the creators of "South Park," had once tried to recruit followers at Stony Brook University on Long Island, Browne said.
"As a result, the NYPD deemed it prudent to get a better handle on what was occurring at MSAs," Browne said in an email. He said police monitored student websites and collected publicly available information, but did so only between 2006 and 2007.
"I see a violation of civil rights here," said Tanweer Haq, chaplain of the Muslim Student Association at Syracuse. "Nobody wants to be on the list of the FBI or the NYPD or whatever. Muslim students want to have their own lives, their own privacy and enjoy the same freedoms and opportunities that everybody else has."
In recent months, the AP has revealed secret programs the NYPD, built with help from the CIA, to monitor Muslims at the places where they eat, shop and worship. The AP also published details about how police placed undercover officers at Muslim student associations in colleges within the city limits; this revelation has outraged faculty and student groups.
Though the NYPD says it follows the same rules as the FBI, some of the NYPD's activities go beyond what the FBI is allowed to do.
Kelly and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg repeatedly have said that the police only follow legitimate leads about suspected criminal activity.
But the latest documents mention no wrongdoing by any students.
In one report, an undercover officer describes accompanying 18 Muslim students from the City College of New York on a whitewater rafting trip in upstate New York on April 21, 2008. The officer noted the names of attendees who were officers of the Muslim Student Association.
"In addition to the regularly scheduled events (Rafting), the group prayed at least four times a day, and much of the conversation was spent discussing Islam and was religious in nature," the report says....
Yes, and so? This is egregious, as far as Chris Hawley and AP are concerned, but when jihadis consistently explain and justify their violent actions by referring to Islamic imperatives, as the underwear bomber did just days ago, why shouldn't law enforcement consider it worth noting when young Muslims discuss Islam? What assurance can the Muslim Brotherhood-linked MSA give that discussions of Islam among its members differ fundamentally in character from discussions of Islam among people like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, Nidal Hasan, and Faisal Shahzad? And in the absence of the possibility of any such genuine assurance, why shouldn't law enforcement be vigilant?
Muslims have become very comfortable here; if they were making such an “uproar” back in their own countries they would be exterminated.
I’m not advocating that, but it would be nice if they felt it was a possibility. They’s STFU and count their blessings that they’re even allowed in here.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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Instead of Muslims acknowledging reality and seeking to promote a better image of Islam by denouncing terror and working for peaceful coexistence, they will take on the tactics of the street agitators and protest for their right to tear down the country where they are free to do so.
Thanks SJackson.
Replace Muslim with White Christian Male and this article would cease to exist.
“A group of all-white Christian “patriots” were being closely monitored by NYPD all over the Northeast. The monitoring went as far as sending an undercover agent to a skeet club where names were taken and conversations noted. Alarmingly, most of the conversation was about firearms or explosive powders, that are still available over the counter.”
Yeah it reads differently, doesn’t it.
Monitored?! Gasp! Organ music! Monitored?! Beavens to Hetsy! P-p-p-p-profiling! Out damned spot! My hands shall never again be clean! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!/can you guess which part of this post is sarcastic, boys and girls?
It sounds like the NYPD actually did the right thing, despite political correctness.
Near the end of page 4, there’s this little gem:
“Browne, the police department spokesman, said intelligence analysts were interested in recruiting by the Islamic Thinkers Society, a New York-based group that wants to see the United States governed under Islamic law. Morton was a leader of the group and went to Stony Brook University’s MSA to recruit students that same month.”
Imagine that!
Near the end of page 4, there’s this little gem:
“Browne, the police department spokesman, said intelligence analysts were interested in recruiting by the Islamic Thinkers Society, a New York-based group that wants to see the United States governed under Islamic law. Morton was a leader of the group and went to Stony Brook University’s MSA to recruit students that same month.”
Imagine that!
Not that folks don't believe their motives are pure but they have a track record.
Bloomy undoubtedly thought he'd be off the hook with the gun thing because, after all, in his world all his friends just hate and despise guns (except the ones their bodyguards carry).
Well, he's wrong. A little gun running here, some dope there (maybe), special parking rules for the rich, and then your surveillance of Moslem students takes on a whole different cast ~ kind of like maybe suppressing the competition!
Too bad they can’t be “monitored” right out of the country. Muslim immigration to this country should have ceased immediately following 9-11.
Frankly, given their history in dealing with Western Civilization, they shouldn’t have been allowed in anywhere in Western Civilization. We will pay for it, but I expect they will pay more, either with their demise or their export back to their wonderful, peaceful, co-existing societies. We tolerate others however when you allow in those who wish to turn the tables on you and enslave, convert or kill you, well, self-preservation says give them the heave ho. I’m waiting......
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Meanwhile,the slaughter of Christians goes on in the Middle
East to the silence of the MSM!
NYPD minding the store, guarding the fort, while Homeland Security is on permanent vacation.
Well, at least someone is keeping tabs.
A fair point, but I’d say that red-on-red action is a win-win situation for us.
To hell with the “media enablers.” The NYPD and FDNY very literally have skin in that game, so stand down and STFU, mainly slime media, you lying, traitorous sacks of donkey guano.
The Muzzies have a VERY strong lobby, both politically and in the media and education.
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