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I apologize if someone has posted this here before, but I was stunned when I read an ABC News journalist actually writing about the Senate's 2004 effort to define "natural born citizen." This simply confirmed my suspicion that the corrupt political class has known about this problem for a long time, but has uniformly chosen to ignore it. The statists did so and got Obama in. The Republicsns will also turn a blind eye so that they can run Rubio, Jindal, and Haley. On this point, neither party has an interest in trying to uphold the rule of law, i.e. the Constitution.
1 posted on 02/15/2012 9:21:09 PM PST by James Thomas
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To: James Thomas
Not even a mention of Obama in this article. Wow.
2 posted on 02/15/2012 9:30:53 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (The Chicago Way isn't the American Way.)
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To: James Thomas

So, what? George Romney was never the GOP’s candidate.


3 posted on 02/15/2012 9:32:52 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Four years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: James Thomas

This was discussed a bit in ‘68, when George Romney was a candidate in the Republican primaries. The talk at the time was that, since he was born in Mexico of American citizen parents, that this made him a natural born citizen.

I have heard so much conflicting talk on this whole issue that I don’t know what to think. I have also heard that the courts have never ruled on the official definition of a natural born citizen.

And, if both major political parties simply ignore an issue, it doesn’t ever get addressed.


4 posted on 02/15/2012 9:33:24 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: James Thomas

In 2008 election Congress spent time looking into McLame and ignored Obama the Obvious. Go figure.


6 posted on 02/15/2012 9:43:35 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: James Thomas

8 posted on 02/15/2012 9:45:45 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: James Thomas

I’m glad the MSM is beginning to address this, however tentatively. Who put that bug in their ear? This needs to get out.

People 50+ who remembered “natural born citizen” was taught to them in school have probably written some letters to these broadcast stations and threatened a boycott of their advertisers.

Something is going on. This is a good trend.


9 posted on 02/15/2012 9:48:38 PM PST by thecodont
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To: James Thomas; All
Hold the phone there!

The very first Congress and President Washington addressed, and changed, the definition of "natural born citizen" (yes, that phrase) via the "Naturalization Act of 1790." Moving beyond the Birther movement's obsession with Vital, they specifically included children of American citizens born abroad or on the high sea.

Tell me again by what authority Congress cannot define who does and who does not meet the criteria of native or natural born citizen.

Further, since this piece brought up George Romney it must be made crystal clear he was never eligible for Mexican citizenship. Mexican law in place then forbade children of foreign nationals from birthright citizenship. He was only ever an American born of two American citizen parents.

Why are those same people challenging Romney based on George's birth not asking about Santorum's eligibility? His father was Italy born.

11 posted on 02/15/2012 10:25:52 PM PST by newzjunkey (Santorum has baggage too. Demand an inspection!)
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To: James Thomas
ABC News journalist actually writing about the Senate's 2004 effort to define "natural born citizen.

ABC ONLY cares when it might hurt a conservative. Tells you something about their ethics...

15 posted on 02/15/2012 11:34:49 PM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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MSM, the Congress, and academia took McCain's NBC status seriously and it was public. If I remember correctly Barry Goldwater was questioned because Arizona was not a state when he was born. All widely reported and discussed. Now Romney.

Obama? Well nothing to investigate or take seriously. It's common to be born in a hospital where there is no record that the mother was ever a patient in the hospital. If I understood Mr. Trump he said that his investigators could not find any record of Obama's mother being in any hospital at the time of Obama's birth.. and of course several presidents grew up as citizens of foreign countries however they were in fact born in one of the 57 States. . . .

17 posted on 02/15/2012 11:54:35 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: James Thomas; LucyT; Brown Deer; Seizethecarp; rolling_stone; Godebert; philman_36; ...

See article; #16.

Thanks, James.

18 posted on 02/16/2012 12:24:29 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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“Former Sen. Don Nickles introduced the Natural Born Citizen Act in 2004 to define the term, natural-born citizen, to include people who derived citizenship at birth from a U.S. citizen parent and to children under 18 who were adopted by U.S. citizens.”

Obama was adopted by an Indonesian National, Lolo Soetoro, so he’s Indonesian.


26 posted on 02/16/2012 2:14:06 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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Please correct the title of this article!

“How Mitt Romney’s Mexican-Born Father Was Eligible to be President”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/how-mitt-romneys-mexican-born-father-was-eligible-to-be-president/

James Thomas:

The way you find out if an article has been posted is to paste the title into the FR search field. If it comes back with no hits, it hasn't been previously posted (barring a glitch). When I pasted the correct title of the ABC story into the FR search field, I got no hits, so it appears not to have been posted before.

If (when) the Admin Moderator corrects your title, then in the future other FReepers will get a hit when they search for it and won't double-post the article.

If you have enough space after using the correct title you can add you own personal editorial comment in parenthesis such as “(MSM acknowledges NBC ambiguity)”

37 posted on 02/16/2012 8:24:10 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, went a step further, introducing the Equal Right to Govern Amendment in July 2003 to allow immigrants who had been naturalized for at least 20 years to run for president.

AKA the "Arnold Schwarzenegger for President Amendment" (back when Republicans thought Schwarzenegger was the future of the party and not the limp-wristed RINO he turned out to be).

40 posted on 02/16/2012 10:21:36 AM PST by Drew68
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To: James Thomas
On this point, neither party has an interest in trying to uphold the rule of law, i.e. the Constitution.

Then it's up to us citizens, isn't it.
67 posted on 02/16/2012 2:59:14 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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Please do not conflate your personal, narrow opinion to “the rule of law” -—

The majority of opinion, even in Conservative circles, believes that “natural born citizen” means CITIZEN AT BIRTH and nothing else.


“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience, he is entitled to protection… The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.”
Zephaniah Swift, A system of the laws of the state of Connecticut: in six books, Volumes 1-2 of A System of the Laws of the State of Connecticut: pg. 163,167 (1795)
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_2_2s6.html
The following is an enormous list of legal citations, from Obama operatives, but you need to know what you are up against:
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/natural-born-quotes/
James Madison, The Founders’ Constitution Volume 2, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2,
Madison:
It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/79655719/James-Madison-on-Contested-Election-Citizenship-And-Birthright-22-May-1789-House-of-Representatives

98 posted on 02/17/2012 4:02:27 PM PST by Kansas58
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