Posted on 02/10/2012 5:30:23 PM PST by Rutles4Ever
Doesn’t this statement assume we are dealing with an hnest broker? What about Bart Stupak (I know he may have been intentionally blind to what would happen...)? Obama lies, and misrepresents. Anyone remember the meeting years back he had in the Oval Office with business leaders, and when they all left, he lied about what what was said/agreed to? He cannot be trusted.
Bart Stupak.
Does the Church care whether or not I am forced to provide abortion coverage to my employees?
Or, are they concerned with their own freedoms only??
Oh, I agree that the Church is seriously opposed to one specific clause of Obamacare.
They want it excised so they can go back to supporting this wonderful, humane law for the rest of us.
But we note at the outset that the lack of clear protection for key stakeholdersfor self-insured religious employers; for religious and secular for-profit employers; for secular non-profit employers; for religious insurers; and for individualsis unacceptable and must be corrected. And in the case where the employee and insurer agree to add the objectionable coverage, that coverage is still provided as a part of the objecting employer's plan, financed in the same way as the rest of the coverage offered by the objecting employer. This, too, raises serious moral concerns.The bishops are indeed expanding their objection to include everyone who has moral reservations and not just religious institutions.
But I hope I am wrong. Bump for future reference.
Was just flipping the dial, came across a show on MSNBC called...Up Yours with Chris Hayes...pretty laughable, a panel of 5 gay fag dems saying how brilliant Obama was with this issue....
Unflippinbelievable
Thank you for stating (no pun intended) the bottom line. Please post an occasional reminder to us of what is really happening with this issue.
It’s the “Principal” not the money!! The money is still coming from all of us.
Quite frankly, I’m as pissed at these Bishops for letting this go on so long as I am at Barky.
Email to my Mom, who supports this garbage:
“You may want to try re-reading (or perhaps read it for the first time) the U.S. Constitution. You will find nowhere in the constitution the right for all women to be provided free contraception and abortion inducing drugs to be paid for by their employers. You say that it is about womens rights. Well you need to think a little bit harder about that because women right NOW have the right take these drugs. What is contrary to the constitution is FORCING employers who disagree with contraception and/or abortion inducing drugs to provide these services to their employees. Obamas position is an UNPRECEDENTED abridgement of freedom. As a business owner, I should not be FORCED to provide these drugs to my employees. If they dont like it, they are always free to find another job or pay for these drugs with THEIR MONEY, just as I am free to fire them for whatever reason I see fit. Even if you subscribe to the idea that the government should mandate what type of healthcare coverage businesses provide, the last time I checked pregnancy was NOT a disease. These products are purely discretionary and no one deserves them simply because they are alive and they particularly dont deserve them at MY EXPENSE. This is a question about whether we will continue to be a free people, or whether government will continue to dramatically expand the scope of its power and force people and businesses who do not share its values to tow the line and pay as a result. It sure as hell is NOT about womens rights, since women RIGHT NOW have the RIGHT to use these drugs if they want to. Familiarize yourself with the Constitution and more particularly what rights it bestows on citizens and what limitations it places on the Federal Government. Then study why it is this has historically been the most powerful country in the world. Your position is indefensible based on the facts and the law.”
“I think that she was Episcopalian.”
Wow — don’t tell me that Episcopalianism is now a religion...
The attack is very laser-focused on Christians in particular.
I have cousins that vote democrat in every election and go to Catholic church every Sunday. They vote for politicians that promote abortion. Why bother going to church if one of the most basic principles is going to be ignored? Don't bother. Don't pretend your Catholic. Your not.
This is way overdue. They have had their heads in the sand, blissfully ignorant for the last 40 years, pretending they could leave the morals in the church and vote for Stalinist goons with clean hands. This has galled me for years.
We need a pic of Obunga dressed as a priest, passing out abortifacients from the alter.
I remember him telling me two years ago that doctors who refuse to treat patients under Obama care should be shot. He was dead serious.
I have to say, he is consistent. We have to remember, many of these people are our friends, and we don't want to offend or appear judgmental. People in Nazi Germany had friends that thought Hitler was peachy kean. If a few had spoken up maybe history would have been different. The Bishops have called this intrinsically evil. A smart man I know said to me that the Bishops will have to draw a line. Be a democrat or be a catholic. You can't be both.
—If the Bishops cave, the nation will be so demoralized Im not sure we could recover. Seriously.
(No Im not Catholic, Im evangelical)-—
If Obama continued down the path of negotiating pseudo-compromises, the bishops’ effort would have dissipated in a fog of offers and counter-offers.
Obama blundered by digging in. Obama’s position is uncharacteristically clear, which allows the bishops the ability to contradict his position in broad daylight.
IOW, there’s a good chance that the bishops’ effort will have a political effect. I only expect it to turn about 2% of Democrat-voting Catholics, who are just cultural Catholics.
The real political benefit will be the galvinization of the Evangelical community.
The Catholic Bishops cannot be taken seriously until they publicly excommunicate every politician that openly supports abortion, birth control, and homosexuality in defiance of their bishops correction to the contrary.
And the Pope cannot be taken seriously until he starts replacing American bishops who refuse to discharge their responsibilities in this matter with bishops who will.
Bingo. Everyone worships something... EVERYONE. All these 'secularists' are actually in love with either Leviatham, nature (or the worst of the three) humankind, be it themselves or some psuedo-messiah like Obama.
All of these cold-blooded mandates from an ever-more overbearing and intrusive centralized bureaucracy are, at their heart, a simple case of 'My God is bigger than your God."
I was going to say the exact same thing you did. They made a deal with the Devil and now are shocked that they are being forced to give up their principles. Are the Bishops that blind and stupid?
A semi-literate internet user posted to a local fish wrapper web site that the state should establish minimum I Q scores for parenthood.
The sheeple are eager for their chains.
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