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Shafias to appeal murder conviction
CBC News ^ | Jan. 31, 2012

Posted on 01/31/2012 12:11:39 PM PST by RansomOttawa

The Shafias will appeal their first-degree murder convictions based on what their lawyers consider prejudicial evidence presented at their trial.

Hamed Shafia’s lawyer, Patrick McCann, has already filed application with the Ontario Court of Appeal on behalf of his client and told CBC the other two lawyers involved with the case will likely do the same.

“He is quite determined to pursue it and continue the fight, so to speak,” McCann said Tuesday.

Echoing reports made in his closing arguments in the trial, the Ottawa-based lawyer said statements from the victims made to their boyfriends and teachers, who testified in court, represented hearsay evidence and should not have been heard by the jury.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; honorkilling; shafias
Followup on the recent conviction of the honour-killing case here in Canada.

They can appeal all they like, I guess, but it seems to me that the physical evicence against the Shafias is insurmountable.

1 posted on 01/31/2012 12:11:40 PM PST by RansomOttawa
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To: RansomOttawa
We had a case in Windsor a few years ago, a guy went nuts at a local hindu temple and killed a couple of people. The evidence was overwhelming. He was convicted, appealed and got a new trial.

The second trial also found him guilty, but he was rewarded with a longer sentence.

2 posted on 01/31/2012 12:15:32 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: RansomOttawa
They should appeal on compassionate grounds — they lost their children. /too true for a sarcasm tag
3 posted on 01/31/2012 12:27:03 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: RansomOttawa

The irony here for me is these monstrous scum-sucking pigs have no connection whatsoever with honor. My apologies to pigs everywhere for the libel.


4 posted on 01/31/2012 12:33:12 PM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: RansomOttawa

Cases like this only cement the notion that Islam and the Western World are completely incompatible


5 posted on 01/31/2012 12:37:54 PM PST by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: RansomOttawa
"The Shafias will appeal their first-degree murder convictions based on what their lawyers consider prejudicial evidence presented at their trial"

Of course. All evidence introduced at trial is "prejudicial" against someone.

The Shafias lawyers have found themselves a lifetime sinecure.

6 posted on 01/31/2012 12:45:22 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: mquinn
It's not Islam that you're seeing here. It's tribalism. In a tribal society, without a central government, each family, clan, and tribe must protect itself. This is classically done by first, displaying a constant willingness to go on a feud agains any group that commits an offense against any member, and second, by maintaining a rigid discipline on its own members (since any one of them can involve the entire tribe in a war, at any time). People who have adapted to this sort of society are used to the idea that internal killings are appropriate, when needed to maintain internal discipline.

What we're seeing here is people whose behavior is suited to a tribal society, failing to adapt to a society with a government. No government can remain functional if it allows its subjects to go on private killing sprees, even if those were needed to protect the tribe, in the culture the people came from—so you get an automatic conflict.

The only relevance of Islam, is that (at least in some forms of Islam), Islamic teachers discourage their adherents from adapting to civil societies

7 posted on 01/31/2012 1:05:07 PM PST by Keb
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To: Keb; Clive; fanfan

Maybe that style is efficient in the barren deserts of Asia, where warfare with neighboring tribes is a threat.

But what the hell does that have to do with living in Toronto? A modern city that’s mostly safe, with modern police.

Enough with the excuses, this creep was a coward, same with his 2 accomplices. Good riddance.

And isn’t it curious, NOT ONE comment from any Muslim leader in Canada, stating that honor-killing is not part of Islam, Islam respects the full rights of women, they deplore this family’s actions, etc. etc.

Nothing. Just crickets.


8 posted on 01/31/2012 3:05:41 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: RansomOttawa; canuck_conservative; Fred Nerks; Clive; mquinn; Keb; All
Cases like this only cement the notion that Islam and the Western World are completely incompatible

Absolutely, mquinn.

Keb, from what I understand, "What we're seeing here is people whose behavior is suited to a tribal society, failing to adapt to a society with a government." describes the followers of Islam pretty well.

c_c, they are coming out of the wood work in Ottawa....
Ottawa Imam Focusing on Violence Against Women

9 posted on 01/31/2012 5:54:24 PM PST by fanfan (This is not my Father's Canada. http://www.ontariolandowners.ca/)
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To: fanfan; canuck_conservative; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; ...
Thanks for the pings fanfan and canuck_conservative!

We have got to stop calling these crimes "honour killings". They are murder, planned and deliberate and motivated by a fanatacism that is incomprehensible to most Canadians.

Giving it some kind of cultural label detracts from the gravity of the crime and diverts attention from its heinous nature to the putative "culture" supposedly motivating it.

OTOH, we are entitled to say that those who hold such "cultural" beliefs should have no right to be in Canada.

10 posted on 01/31/2012 8:07:20 PM PST by Clive
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To: fanfan; canuck_conservative; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; ...
Thanks for the pings fanfan and canuck_conservative!

We have got to stop calling these crimes "honour killings". They are murder, planned and deliberate and motivated by a fanaticism that is incomprehensible to most Canadians.

Giving it some kind of cultural label detracts from the gravity of the crime and diverts attention from its heinous nature to the putative "culture" supposedly motivating it.

OTOH, we are entitled to say that those who hold such "cultural" beliefs should have no right to be in Canada.

11 posted on 01/31/2012 8:07:48 PM PST by Clive
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To: canuck_conservative

Google Muslim Canadian Congress or Salim Mansur.


12 posted on 02/01/2012 8:01:20 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Tories in- now the REAL work begins!)
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To: canuck_conservative
And isn’t it curious, NOT ONE comment from any Muslim leader in Canada, stating that honor-killing is not part of Islam, Islam respects the full rights of women, they deplore this family’s actions, etc. etc.

No "honour" in domestic violence, not part of Islam, imams to preach Friday

Canadian imams plan to condemn the “misguided notion” of so-called honor killings in their Friday sermons this week, responding to the high-profile trial of a father accused of murdering his three teenage daughters, allegedly because they shamed his Afghan family. . . .

"We felt very strongly that we had a responsibility to make it very, very clear that honor killings — so-called honor killings; we don’t want to consider them anything honorable — have absolutely nothing to do with Islam," said Sikander Hashmi, an imam in the Ontario city of Kingston where the trial is taking place.

(National Post, Dec. 8, 2011)

Tarek Fatah of the Muslim Canadian Congress is also quoted in that article as saying, basically, that honour killing does have roots in Islam, and that's part of the problem.

13 posted on 02/01/2012 1:34:24 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Clive
We have got to stop calling these crimes "honour killings". They are murder, planned and deliberate and motivated by a fanatacism that is incomprehensible to most Canadians.

It's a hate crime. More so, I think, than anything legally defined as such in the Criminal Code.

14 posted on 02/01/2012 1:37:10 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: RansomOttawa; Clive
We have got to stop calling these crimes "honour killings". They are murder, planned and deliberate and motivated by a fanatacism that is incomprehensible to most Canadians.

It's a hate crime. More so, I think, than anything legally defined as such in the Criminal Code.

Just like the term "Suicide bomber". It has little to do with suicide. But that's what they do....turn our language against us. Turn our laws against us. Corrupt our moral values.

We have to stop it before it's too late.

15 posted on 02/01/2012 4:35:50 PM PST by fanfan (This is not my Father's Canada. http://www.ontariolandowners.ca/)
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