Posted on 01/18/2012 7:02:23 AM PST by New Jersey Realist
This Primer, by Stephen Tonchen, is different from, should not be confused with, the WorldNetDaily Obama Eligibility Primer. The Tonchen Primer appeared on the Internet in June 2009, more than a year prior to the WND Primer.
UPDATE (4/27/2011): Now that President Obama has released his long-form birth certificate, questions 31 through 34 in this Primer have become moot [91]. They are retained here for posterity purposes only. The other 33 questions and corresponding answers remain entirely unaffected. Those questions have acquired even greater importance and relevance, now that Obama's newly-released long-form birth certificate has further substantiated his dual nationality at birth.
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“Thus we have two opposing viewpoints regarding the meaning of “natural born citizen”. Which viewpoint is correct?
Only the Supreme Court (not Congress, not the voters, not the consensus of American legal opinion) has the Constitutional authority to answer this question. President Obama has a duty to ask the Supreme Court for a declaratory judgment resolving all doubts with respect to his “natural born citizen” status.”
.but I can’t let this go.
Amos 3 and 3.
Until there are enough people willing to die for their country, there will be no way to force this Socialist out.
Can two walk together unless they be agreed? No!!!..not in America, not any more.
Rev....Woe to he that taketh that name, 666. Now with situation being as it is in reference to our present situation with no moral authority, how many today would take that name?
The SOS would be completely within state constitutional authority to order that person removed from the ballot because of "in the opinion of the office, failure to meet the requirements of Article II of the COTUS." Simple enough.
It would then become the removed person's responsibility to bring suit against the SOS for reinstatement. That simple act would make Team Obama the PLAINTIFF, thus removing all impediments of "standing" to have the case heard. After litigation in the state courts, the appeals, brought by either side would move up the federal ladder and to the SCOTUS ... maneuvering those evasive and cowardly black-robed bum-kissers into finally earning their pay on this issue.
There is also the question of Obama possibly having Indonesian citizenship, an Indonesian passport and attending college on a foreign student scholarship as “Barry Sotero”
What we need are a few SOS’s with the willingness to do the right thing. With Christy behind Romney, NJ just might do it but I’m not going to hold my breath. I do feel the hand of satan upon this country.
UPDATE (4/27/2011): Now that President Obama has released his long-form birth certificate, questions 31 through 34 in this Primer have become moot.is USELESS. It essentially confers validity upon the document image(s) Obama released or didn't release on April 27. But the images are not what they purport to be. This is so obvious that it is a wonder the Obama has been able to steer clear of prison and/or the hangman's noose.
ML/NJ
I dispute this assertion!
The Obama legal team has inserted layer upon layer of defensible legal distance between the White House (forged) LFBC pdf and Hawaii DOH on the one hand and also distance between the LFBC pdf and Obama himself.
The White House pdf image has NEVER been “legally released” as submitted evidence in any legal proceeding. Only one MSM reporter has claimed to have held a copy of the "original" of the HI certified LFBC and "felt the seal" and taken a low quality picture with her cell phone. br
Even on April 27, 2011 (a date that will live in infamy!) Obama’s lawyer went out of his way to state that Obama would not personally be holding in his hand at the press conference the “actual” alleged certified copy of the alleged photocopy of the alleged bound page from the alleged 1961 HI record book!!!
What does that tell you when Obama’s own lawyer won't let him hold the document that he is supposed to be affirming to be genuine???
Your strategy sounds wonderful...the concern I have with it is, didn’t Soros’ organizations co-opt a bunch of SOSs by funding radical democrats to those offices?
On the other hand, isnt it true that it would only take one such case to break the log jam? That SOS would indeed have to have a titanium spine. Does such exist?
Team Obama has spent, by the latest reckonings, $2.5 Million on the legal fight to keep the issue from reaching a court to be heard on the merits. Along the way, they have succeeded in establishing three concepts in the public mind:
(1)Obama was Born in Hawaii as proven by documents issued by the WH, which they have established are all anyone could possible ask for.
(2)In regard to citizenship, "Native," is the same as "Natural."
(3)Those who question #1 and/or #2 are insane, racists, or ignorant; possibly all of the above. They have accomplished these impressive results without a definitive ruling on the issues by any court.
None of the three concepts is proven. But that hardly matters in 21st C America. Or does it? At any rate, Team Obama has certainly gotten its money's worth out of their lawyers, while the citizens of this great land have most emphatically NOT gotten our money's worth out of our public servants.
What we have gotten is a genuine Constitutional Crisis. I repeat my theory: That is, the only way to get this into an American Court is to maneuver Team Obama into the role of PLAINTIFF. Needed? One patriot in one state to merely TAKE HIM OFF THE BALLOT.
This is why Soros mounted a program, backed by his money, to get control of all the SoS slots he could. He knows the Bozo is in trouble there.
President Obama has a duty to ask the Supreme Court for a declaratory judgment resolving all doubts with respect to his “natural born citizen” status.
That will happen when pigs fly.
I do feel the hand of satan upon this country.
That is why prayer is our most potent weapon. Without the Hand of God we will suffer the ravages of satan.
Does anyone know in which states Soros was successful?
Living in a republic under Obama:
Like being in a prisoner-of-war camp-—with unarmed guards.
Living in a republic under Obama:
Like being in a prisoner-of-war camp-—with unarmed guards.
Question No. 1 is extremely stupid. If this is a primer about presidential eligibility, then the “birther” label is irrelevant.
“President Obama has a duty to ask the Supreme Court for a declaratory judgment resolving all doubts with respect to his “natural born citizen” status.”
With all due respect Starwise, the Supreme Court decided this in 1875. Minor V. Happersett is very clear, concise, and impossible to misconstrue. It has also never been overturned.
For SCOTUS to rule in Obama’s favor, they would have to overturn the holding in Minor, which might well affect dozens of other SCOTUS cases spanning 136 years.
Minor v. Happersett literally states an NBC is a person with 2 parents who are CITIZENS and born in country. Obama does NOT fit into this. He should be removed from office immediately and be prosecuted for Crimes against this nation BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE IS AN ILLEGAL POTUS; AND DID IT DELIBERATELY ANYWAY, DEFRAUDING MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO VOTED FOR HIM, AND GAVE HIS CAMPAIGN DONATIONS.
The Supreme Court DECIDED THIS 136 YEARS AGO.
The SCOTUS is an appeals court. No one can "ask it for a Declaratory Judgement" outside of the context of a case brought before it on appeal ... AND ... accepted by the court to be heard. What a President does, is ask his AG to seek opinions from other sources. Guess where that one would go!
Traditionally, 4 Justices must vote to hear a case. Of course, before that vote, the case has to make it through the bureaucracy of the court ... which is a thoroughly Left Wing operation and has been so since Roosevelt. So far, we have had 2 or 3 Justices willing to hear the case for constitutional eligibility, but never 4.
In fact, much of the bureaucratic engine of government that runs our lives, is firmly in the hands of, in many cases, the actual descendants of those Leftists brought to power in DC in the days of FDR.
Run a check on the employees of your Republican representatives in Congress. Their offices are staffed by many Democrats ... sometimes overwhelmingly so.
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