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1 posted on 01/17/2012 7:55:29 AM PST by NCjim
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It’s rough when you get into an excellent university based upon grade inflation or athletic ability.


2 posted on 01/17/2012 8:04:07 AM PST by tired&retired
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There wasn’t much outrage when the 88 professors were proven wrong in the Duke Lacrosse case and they never apologized.


3 posted on 01/17/2012 8:04:22 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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Soooooo, they don’t like the facts? Should Duke force minorities to stay in engineering and other “hard” majors?


4 posted on 01/17/2012 8:04:32 AM PST by SoothingDave
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(1 Change the anti-academic attitude in ANY culture that is anti-learning.

(2) Teach phonics.

(3) Bust your tail on homework. An engineering degree, for example, is VERY hard work.


5 posted on 01/17/2012 8:04:34 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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Affirmative action and set aside “scholarships” are cruel teachers.


6 posted on 01/17/2012 8:06:07 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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“effort to ensure an optimal learning environment for black students”

Oh yeah; here we go with the good ol' Race Card.

Duke provides an optimal learning environment, available to ALL students, and somehow they want special treatment for blacks? If you can't compete, maybe the problem is not with the program, but with the capability of the players???? Change the rules so that lowering the bar will allow lackluster to survive?

Seems that's what PUBLIC education has tried, and we STILL have blacks earning less, producing less, and living on the public dole MORE. Face the fact that the Cultural Issues of mental mindset/lack of work ethic is rife in that particular community (as it has been for 4 generations)

7 posted on 01/17/2012 8:06:28 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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Did these alumni consist of engineering or communications majors?


9 posted on 01/17/2012 8:09:07 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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So let me get this straight. These are students who came from Africa, were born in Africa, matriculated at Duke, and who now refer to themselves in the collective as African-Americans. Do I have that about right. I had NO idea so many students from Watusi land were enrolling there. Quite amazing. Do they still do tribal dances and have witch doctors?


10 posted on 01/17/2012 8:09:19 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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F Duke and F them.


11 posted on 01/17/2012 8:09:28 AM PST by onedoug
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“The alumni, including those who received master’s and doctoral degrees at the school”

Would those degrees be in african-american studies and history?


12 posted on 01/17/2012 8:10:13 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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I’m offended they’re offended.


13 posted on 01/17/2012 8:10:49 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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The government should suppress all facts that are offensive.


18 posted on 01/17/2012 8:28:21 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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Some of the dubious problems that blacks have with the study are listed in the Herald Sun.

One in particular caught my eye:

The study opens with a bold statement that affirmative action admissions in higher education allow for the college admission of minority students who have “weak” preparation for college-level work. This implies that students of color are not as intelligent or prepared as their white counterparts.

The rebuttal of these statements is so obvious, so tautological, it borders on the rhetorical. To wit: if students of color were as well-prepared for college as their white counterparts, there would be no need for affirmative action. In other words, if black candidates had similar high school grades, SAT scores, and other objective criteria for admission, they could be evaluated solely by that criteria. The fact that they do not have similar credentials is the raison d'etre that affirmative action exists.

Furthermore, the critics conflated "intelligent" with "well-prepared," which just muddles the issue, while enabling the race-card to be played. A student could have innately high intelligence and still be poorly prepared for a prestigious college if that intelligence had not been put to good use via a rigorous high school education.

19 posted on 01/17/2012 8:29:14 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (How bad would an Obama II administration be, without the constraints of re-election?)
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“The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.” ` Winston Churhill


20 posted on 01/17/2012 8:31:18 AM PST by mort56
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21 posted on 01/17/2012 8:32:57 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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“The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.” ` Winston Churchill


22 posted on 01/17/2012 8:33:09 AM PST by mort56
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This might fit the racist pattern and is anecdotal at best but:
When I started college in the computer science program there were several black students in my computer classes. By the time I graduated, there were no black students in my computer classes. There were some of the same black students in some of my math classes that had moved to the educational curriculum.


23 posted on 01/17/2012 8:40:23 AM PST by Bob Buchholz
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It fails to mention - what they find “slanderous” about the study.

Everybody knows this. There are a few thousand Black kids/year that score over 1300 on the Math and Verbal SAT. Duke Eng is like “1400 to play”. (Duke average Arts = 1470 Math +Verbal. Average Eng is 1490). 1100 Black students/year in the US score over 700 on the math SAT. Duke Eng average Math Sat is like 760.

Duke has about 170 Black students/class. Duke would need to enroll 170 out of the 1100 TOTAL Black students with >700 Math SAT. 15% of all Blacks with >700 in the US would need to attend Duke - just to get CLOSE to the 760 average Math SAT of the Eng students.

There just aren’t enough of them - with enough horsepower - to fill all the slots that their Affirmative Action programs put them in.

The result is inevitable.

High horsepower ENG school is very uncomfortable place for someone without the horsepower. It is uncomfortable enough - for the guys with 760+ math SAT.

So of course the black kids move out.

The whiners document the racism - in their own comments. A real person with the “Duke typical” horsepower wouldn’t whine - they would present numbers, and demonstrate where the report is wrong. just giving these guys the time of day is racist in itself - lowered expectations. And also -= it demonstrates - they are USED TO having lowered expectations. They don’t even understand how their own whining demonstrates the point.


25 posted on 01/17/2012 8:41:51 AM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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JMHO, anyone who is offended by facts should stay the hell out of science.


32 posted on 01/17/2012 8:58:03 AM PST by freespirited
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...among students who initially expressed an interest in majoring in economics, engineering and the natural sciences, a significantly greater percentage of black students ended up switching their majors to the humanities or another social science.

It's easy to get better grades in those subjects- all you have to do is parrot back the left wing drivel the "progressive" professors spew...

33 posted on 01/17/2012 9:00:40 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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