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‘Starving’ Ph.D.s deserve low pay
BIZPACReview.com ^ | 1/09/2012 | John R. Smith

Posted on 01/09/2012 6:08:48 AM PST by SmileRight

In this age of mainstream news reporters ignorant of economics, the media rarely trumpets the power and truth of free markets and the laws of Supply and Demand, very real forces in our daily lives that confound, embarrass and reject socialist politics.

The free market communicates important information. This is why socialist and left-leaning politicians, who hate free markets, operate in economic illiteracy. The free market places no real importance on government contrived social measures that lack real-world value. When the free market speaks, socialist economic theories tremble.

An example of the free market correcting economic nonsense is the “socially responsible” mutual fund, investing only in companies that engage in politically correct behavior. Investors in such funds haven’t seen much in the way of big profits; investors may have appeased their social conscience, but at quite a price. As the philosopher Montesquieu wrote, “Virtue itself has need of limits.” The return on these funds generally has been far lower than ...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: academia; acedemia; freemarket; freemarkets; jobs; phds
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The free market is what has made this country great for over 200 years. Perhaps the Ph.D.s need to read a little more history.
1 posted on 01/09/2012 6:08:59 AM PST by SmileRight
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2 posted on 01/09/2012 6:11:55 AM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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3 posted on 01/09/2012 6:14:00 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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“Virtue itself has need of limits.”

IMHO, virtue has no need of limits, but virtue is its own reward. Therein lies the problem in trying to make a living off of it.

4 posted on 01/09/2012 6:15:22 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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I don’t think anyone deserves low pay. I don’t believe that there are many PHd’s who are indigent. I am sure more high school drop outs are. If companies are not hiring PHD’s then leave it off your resume. I have an MBA but didn’t include it on a job that I was applying for because I didn’t want that “over qualified” nonsense. The reason that companies don’t want to take folks with higher qualifications then they ask for is because they know most likely they will not stay with the company for long. Having a PHD is a benefit that they should embrace and use it when necessary. My only question is what are they going to do when everyone has a PHD? Are they going to start another degree program?


5 posted on 01/09/2012 6:15:57 AM PST by napscoordinator (Go Rick! Go Rick! Go Newt! Let's get 'er done.)
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To: SmileRight

I hold a Ph.D. in Psychology, and the only time I came close to starving was while I was in graduate school and dependent on available assistantships. This experience (along with a couple of others) caused me to wise-up, and I structured my course of study to emphasize classes in the more applied areas of the discipline (statistics, survey methodology, industrial/organizational, human factors). As a result, I’ve made a pretty decent living outside of academia for the last 25-years.


6 posted on 01/09/2012 6:18:12 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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Exactly. This is why the free market is so incredibly important. When I read this article, I also thought of the exchanges that Chris Christie had with teachers in New Jersey. The one made $86,000 per year plus premium healthcare and pension benefits for 9 months of work and thought she deserved more because she had her teaching degree and her job was “important” in her mind. If the market doesn’t determine your salary, political pressure will.

College education is not all that its cracked up to be. I’m not going to say its worthless but it could be a lot better. The rot is hidden by the fact that there are so many subsidies for college that its easy for people to go and waste time there learning irrelevant things.


7 posted on 01/09/2012 6:18:23 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Travis McGee

She looks like she smells really bad.


8 posted on 01/09/2012 6:22:53 AM PST by albie
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To: SmileRight

As I posted in another thread yesterday.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2650612/posts

Wildly overeducated Mike Rowe gets it.


9 posted on 01/09/2012 6:23:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Travis McGee; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

The SCAM OF THE CENTURY is being pulled off by the Universities that are continuing to produce hordes of PHD’s and other degree holders for whom there are NO jobs, for whom there has never been enough jobs, and for whom there will NEVER be adequate employment opportunities.
The now jailed Bernie Maddof stole the possessed assets of his investors. The Academic SCAMMERS are busy stealing the FUTURE and virtually unatainable assets of their students.
Ever hear of the “student load” crisis?


10 posted on 01/09/2012 6:24:13 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: Arm_Bears

I have a similar background and foucssed on what you called the more applied areas of the discipline (industrial/organizational, human factors) etc. As a result I too have made a pretty decent living outside of academia.


11 posted on 01/09/2012 6:24:37 AM PST by rhombus
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Using academic qualifications (other than area of study) as a criterion for experienced candidate evaluation is ridiculous. The reason that employers do this is that they are prohibited from conducting IQ testing.


12 posted on 01/09/2012 6:28:15 AM PST by oblomov
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“Complains there are no jobs for college grads . . . majors in 12th century English poetry.”

Also has unkempt, Medusa-type hair. I wouldn’t allow her hair in my office for fear that it might spread some 12th century plague.


13 posted on 01/09/2012 6:29:29 AM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, Book I-III from 1776 would be a good start.

Book I begins with "Of the Causes of Improvement in the Productive Powers of Labour, and of the Order According to Which its Produce is Naturally Distributed Among the Different Ranks of the People", Chapter One "Of the Division of Labour" ...

Then, moving on, Joseph Schumpter's "Creative Destruction from his 1942 book Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy, especially the impact on innovation to extant markets.

Today, there are no "free markets" - far to much government regulation and currency manipulation - just ask the Federal Reserve.

14 posted on 01/09/2012 6:35:30 AM PST by jamaksin
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Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, Book I-III from 1776 would be a good start.

Book I begins with "Of the Causes of Improvement in the Productive Powers of Labour, and of the Order According to Which its Produce is Naturally Distributed Among the Different Ranks of the People", Chapter One "Of the Division of Labour" ...

Then, moving on, Joseph Schumpter's "Creative Destruction from his 1942 book Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy, especially the impact on innovation to extant markets.

Today, there are no "free markets" - far to much government regulation and currency manipulation - just ask the Federal Reserve.

15 posted on 01/09/2012 6:35:41 AM PST by jamaksin
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To: Travis McGee

I hate COMPAINERS.


16 posted on 01/09/2012 6:36:05 AM PST by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: SmileRight

This is from an OWS rally in Denver, I think. Debt to banks is slavery but debt to the federal govt is freedom to these pukes.

17 posted on 01/09/2012 6:38:14 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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The reason that employers do this is that they are prohibited from conducting IQ testing.

... and the conclusion is that people with PhDs have low IQs.

18 posted on 01/09/2012 6:39:22 AM PST by HIDEK6
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My only question is what are they going to do when everyone has a PHD? Are they going to start another degree program?

No they will stop giving out loans to pay for PHDs that can't increase the student's earning potential enough to pay for the loan. It is already happening. As you said in your post people are refusing to put their degrees on their job applications. So any money spent on that degree was a waste when applying for that job.

The era of free government money is coming to an end one way or the other. Either conservatives win big and cut the spending, or Obama wins and we go the way of Greece. Either way the free ride will be over. And when it does there will be a lot of ethnic studies PHDs who's diplomas will be put to the same use as those 1990s .com stock certificates. That is either toilet paper or a painful reminder of a bad investment.
19 posted on 01/09/2012 6:45:37 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Travis McGee

‘Compains’?

Is that like ‘refudiate’?


20 posted on 01/09/2012 6:45:37 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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