Posted on 12/15/2011 5:54:32 AM PST by floridarunner01
For the fifth straight survey, the GOP field has a new frontrunner in Iowa.
“Iowa picked GHW Bush over Reagan in 1980.. Dole over GHW Bush in 1988 and Huckabee in 2008.. kind of an irrelevant state in regards to picking the nominee”
the difference this time though is that Romney was not expected to win Iowa. If he pulls off a win no matter how close (or even comes in second) it will give him an advantage in some of the earlier states with the good press that follows. Particularly NH. That being said the race is still fluid and looking at the numbers even Ron Paul could pull off the upset here - only poll that counts is election day.
Don't they know he's a Harvard trained lawyer? Don't they admire the way he handles the media questions with slick evasive answers that display obvious and massive deception? Don't they want a man that knows how to loot a business by laying off Americans, importing H1Bs, and loading it up with so much debt it goes bankrupt? Don't they want a man in magic underwear that has lost so many elections in the past that his number must be coming up this time? I don't understand it.
I have no horse in the race, but all this means is that Ras does not personally like Newt.
All the pollsters manufacture opinion, and everybody but me it seems, believes them
Paul=Great ideas except for Foreign policy but way too old and would hand the election to the big BO.
Come on there has to be someone in a country of 350Million +/- that can beat a sitting president who hates the country, believes the founders were wrong, is attempting to accomplish the Cloward & Piven strategy in as few years as possible, is such a racist he deserves the title of exalted leader of the Klan With a Tan.
“Just as I predicted yesterday (and got flamed for). “
that is the one thing i cannot stand about this site. you state reality and you get demonized for it. some people are WAY too over emotional and turn a blind eye and a deaf ear since they cannot accept reality.
This is obviously a skewed poll. Rasmussen has been known to get it completely wrong countless times.
For Gingrich to go from over 35%, to being down over 15 points in one day, there is something totally wrong with the poll.
Rasmussen also has his own agenda and he uses it in the early polling season, then tightens it up when his reputation is at stake. His polling method is also rather flawed compared to others.
I say, if this trend continues for another 2 weeks, from all the polls, then there is a problem for Newt.
They also can with great accuracy predict your political leanings by your zip code. Also, telephone number lists are generally sold by demographic, income, zip code, race, voting patterns, etc.
So when you see a public released political poll like all those mentioned this early in a major political race; in addition to number polled and likely voters - also ask yourself what information is provided to determine the lists used to select the zip code and demographics to interview for the poll; what is the assurance of quality of the interviewers; the time of day the calls occurred; who paid for the poll; do they have a known agenda; what were the total questions asked, etc? Without this information the polls are only saying whatever whomever is paying for them want them to say.
And yes, there are millions of rea$on$ to lie and make up multiple polls to manipulate people. If you think its not possible to do this kind of manipulation on a large scale, please see the push manipulation for AGW as just one of the better known examples.
Nevertheless, we all saw the outpouring of volunteers and individual cash donations for Palin and Cain. That is hard to fake. If The 2 alleged front runners are doing so well where are the similar individual efforts to support them?
The way the game is played is to set it up so the ones people like are always downplayed and the people have to chose to vote for a lesser evil to prevent a worse evil from winning.Its very effective.
Yes, the polls do look close to accurate in the end. Thats because of the self fulfilling prophecy and the power of manipulation by the professionals. People are easy to herd when its marketed properly...
That pretty well sums it up. Rather depressing.
Romney is a lock in NH. If he wins Iowa, game over.
Margin of error?
If Newt puts in a strong performance tonight at the debate, I think he will win Iowa, followed by SC & Florida.
He could be #2 or #3 in NH.
Bingo!
If Romney is nominated, Obama will win (just as Coulter predicted to CPAC in February).
Yep, to set up Jebbie for 2016, and the conservatives will fall for it again then.
LLS
Mitt will end up as the GOP nominee and Obama will get another 4 years.
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As bad as I hate to admit it, I think you’re right. We have no one to blame but ourselves. The Conservative voters, pundits and bloggers, have beaten, bloodied, bullied and broken each one of the Conservative candidates to the point that the only ones left standing is the RINO (Romney) and the kook (Paul). And, like I say; we have no one to blame but ourselves. And I must admit; all the vitriolic, mean-spirited, in-fighting here on FR has not helped our cause either. We have met the enemy and they are us.
You have to wonder about the makeup of the Iowa GOP where 46% are backing either Romney or Paul. Basically half the electorate is liberal or nuts. Or both.
I am for any Republican than Romney (or Paul) in the primaries. However, I think Mittens is really the one with the best chance to beat Obama. It will be a shame, though to throw up such a RINO against a rat on the ropes like Obama.
I am not worried in the least. Romney is right where he always is, 21 +-3
As the also rans like Bachmann, Santorum and Perry start dropping out after Iowa then Gingrich will pick up all their supporters.
In a two man race, Gingrich is polling 20 points ahead of Romney.
Maybe it is time for a new party. When the field comes down to a RINO used car salesman, a guy with heavy baggage, and a nutcase, the GOP may not be worth supporting with any vote. Maybe it is time to send a message from the Tea Party that we are fed up.
Is there a debate tonight? Newt certainly needs a debate.
Don’t fall for the crap that Romney will have a better chance at beating the communist in cheif.
Romney takes Obamacare off the table. Why would anyone vote for Romney over the communist? They are too similar.
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