Gingrich Gets It Right

frontpagemag.com ^ | Dec 12, 2012 | David Horowitz

[Jim Robinson]

In an interview on Saturday, Newt Gingrich put some reality into the surreal discussion of the Middle East conflict and (as he put it) the delusional nature of the current “peace process.” The Palestinians are indeed an “invented people” — invented by the Nasser dictatorship and KGB by the way — and the Hitlerian lie that Israel occupies one square inch of “Arab” let alone “Palestinian” land needs to be buried for any clarity on what the conflict is about, let alone progress towards peace.

Of course there is no peace in the Middle East and there can be no peace so long as the Muslim Arabs want to kill the Jews and destroy the Jewish state. That is the explicit goal of the enemies of Israel in the terrorist entities of Gaza and the West Bank, and also of Israel’s principal enemy the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Newt Gingrich’s gutsy statements — if will hold to them — could change the nature of the debate not only about how to deal with the Islamic terrorists of the Middle East but with the Islamic jihad itself. For the campaign to destroy Israel is at bottom a campaign to restore the Muslim (not Arab) ummah — as it was under the Turkish empire and the caliphate.

According to CNN, a Palestinian spokesman called Gingrich’s observation that the Palestinians are “an invented people” quote “the most racist I’ve ever seen.” This just shows what brazen liars Palestinian spokesmen are...

[SmithL]

The so-called Palestinians are needed, and supported, by all the Israel-haters on the planet. The pressure on Newt to recant will be enormous.

[TEXOKIE]

I’ve been really laughing at the MSM and FOX commentators during all their stressing over Newt’s supposed misstatement about Palestinians being a made up nation. Yes, in fact, as I understand it, they WERE a made-up nation.

[woofie]

It seems like only yesterday a man named Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews

[.30Carbine]

The transcript of Gingrich’s quote:

“Remember, there was no Palestine as a state — (it was) part of the Ottoman Empire. I think we have an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and historically part of the Arab community and they had the chance to go many places for a variety of political reasons, we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s.”

And a YouTube clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHWJWJocD6A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[CitizenUSA]

Newt's honesty was refreshing. A Palestinian nation was not destroyed or even displaced when Israel was created, and the Palestinians have no legal or moral right to Israeli lands whatsoever. I also agree with Newt's observation that truth can cut through political misinformation, aka propaganda, and reset political discourse, like Reagan's evil empire comment. Although I'm not yet in Newt's camp, I applaud his refreshing honesty on this particular issue.

[Youaskedforit]

Ciao CitizenUSA,

“...like Reagan’s evil empire comment...”

I take a different view. “Invention” is a morally neutral statement. Look at the globe and the history of changing maps and you’ll come to the startling realization that somewhere along the line, for some many centuries for others only decades or years, we’re all self-arrogated political inventions, mostly patched together and defended with the force of arms. All that ultimately matters is if we are forces of good or evil.

Put it this way. If by magic the Muslims of that entity that PRESENTLY goes under the name of Palestine had all turned into Buddhists or Christians and instead of believing in the evil of the Koran had agreed to see a better place over the hill of real and invented grievance, a better place for all parties involved... if instead of salting wounds their possessors of religious wisdom had considered a healing balm of reconciliation, even slowly and begrudgingly one problem at a time... would the fact of being an invention matter?

Not a whit. Their goodness and decency would have put things into a different perspective and given them all the legitimacy they needed. Welcome to the club of invented political entities.

Reagan’s “evil empire” comment... packed more whallop precisely because it was MORAL, not legalistic.

The whole imbroglio of European Jews going back to never-abandined ancestral lands is one of a kind and doesn’t fit into any sort of paradigm. It needs theologians and not lawyers.

The problem is the inherent evil of Islam. For instance thinking in terms of sneaky Hudnas instead of nervous but honest and real truces and treaties. Of speaking with forked tongues. Of wraping bomb belts around their own children. (And on and on).

I like Newt and I would still vote for him (if I weren’t a foreigner), but I frankly see Newt pandering to the Jewish and Evangelical vote. I hope it works, because as indicated by statistics, so far (but one hopes not forever) the great preponderance of the American Jewish vote is based more on lifestyle “freedoms” (gay marriage, no school prayer, abortion rights, LGBT) than on love of the Jewish State.

[jonrick46]

It is important to understand the Soviet KGB’s role in the hatred cult against Israel. This hatred was invented too. KGB tactics of creating a system of lies that played upon Egypt's nationalist tendencies under the dictatorship of Nasser were so successful that they have endured for generations. It is a window into the sophistication of Soviet destabilization techniques and the manipulation of populations for their own political ends. Many of us know that ends was to wrestle Middle East oil away from the West and destroy their economic superiority. It is amazing that a strategy devised after WW II has persisted so long.

It cannot be understated how effective the Soviet's strategy was to deeply root itself into the fabric of the Islamic world. It was a cancer that has festered to this day and threatens to destroy entire nations and wipe out huge populations. The Arab Spring movement has this cancer going into end stages. Israel needs its allies in the West like never before. With the Obama Regime showing incompetence and the West overwhelmed with their economic collapse, Israel's enemies may make their move, thinking they have the upper hand. We are indeed in a dangerous time because of an invented people and a strategy to take out the West.

[maine-iac7]

Here’s a ticket that would set the county on fire and plunge the “enemies domestic” into chaos.
(For one thing, their race card would be totally useless)

And these two do not speak PC, do not apologize for telling the truth, do not back down, know the Constitution and our history backward and forward.

I’m beginning to think maybe enough of us are standing up for what is right and have earned - barely? - God’s help.

excerpt; “Speculation over West was sparked Friday when former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), who is considering a presidential bid, said that a number of Florida GOP politicians would do well as vice president, including West....When asked about Gingrich’s comments by WPTV-TV, West asked, “He said that?”

“I have to pray about it and I have to clear it with my wife and two daughters,”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/146163-allen-west-not-ruling-out-vp-bid

[Safetgiver]

A Palestinian nation was not destroyed or even displaced when Israel was created, ... I remember reading many, many years ago in some magazine about when the particular area Isreal was decided on, they bought the land from different Arab clans, at the price the Arabs stipulated and they chortled among themselves about how they screwed the Jews over when all the Arabs did was sell them arid, wasteland that was mostly alkaline and barren. When the saw what the Jews did with it, the became enraged. Remember “Plant a Tree in Isreal” drives?

[maine-iac7]

You’re supposing a case that isn’t.

Newt’s stating a case that IS.

Simple truth doesn’t parse too well. It stands on it’s own.

[Safetgiver]

M “Y” died. See?

[PhilDragoo]

Newt Gingrich and the "Invented" Palestinian People

In this article Daniel Pipes says Newt Gingrich is "absolutely correct".

Daniel Pipes was George Bush's choice for the U.S. Peace Institute and was so hated by the Left a recess appointment was necessary.

[Youaskedforit]

Ciao maine-iac7,

Thanks for answering, but I’m not supposing a case that isn’t. I’m saying that whether a country is invented or not doesn’t really make that much difference. I’m saying we’re all invented political entities. The USA used to be Great Britain. Italy was once divided into all sorts of entities and there were customs and toll houses at the borders between Latium and Tuscany. I’m saying that the real stumbling block is Islam. I’m saying that if the Palestinians (now called as such by the Israelis themselves), weren’t burdened by Islam, which is EVIL, the fact of them being an invention wouldn’t really matter. Kansas was an invention too.

Let’s hear Newt say that Islam is evil! That’s the case that IS but very few have the cojones to openly state. The problem with Palestine isn’t that when you dig there you find things written in Hewbrew, (as well as Latin and Aramaic); it’s not even that most Palestinians went there to get jobs that the European Jews created. The problem is religious in nature, meaning moral, not legalistic.

[Ann Archy]

I believe that most of them are Jordanians and Jordan doesn’t want them back!

[Biggirl]

Could it be that Newt is saying that what people are afraid to say, that simply the “real Palistine” is Jordan?

[SJackson]

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[ml/nj]

The whole imbroglio of European Jews going back to never-abandined ancestral lands is one of a kind and doesn’t fit into any sort of paradigm. It needs theologians and not lawyers.

You need to understand that those European (and American) Jews did not take over the land with weapons. They purchased it, first under the laws of the Turks, then under the laws of the British, and now under the laws of Israel. For the most part (i.e. excluding eminent domain takings) Arab property that hasn't been sold or abandoned is still Arab property. It is indeed lawyers who should be called on, but the Arabs prefer missile makers.

ML/NJ

[Youaskedforit]

I think you make my case more than your own.

The only extenuating circumstance for those Arabs that were there is that no one likes wealthy foreigners and not just any foreigners but the sons of rats and apes and pigs (according to their holy Scriptures) buying out land and giving the impression of taking over with their more powerful culture.

Some Americans aren’t too happy about the now wealthy Chinese buying huge tracts of land out west. I’m sure they’re doing the transactions legally, but the legality of them is not the real concern... especially to the people living there.

In any case, at a certain point the Islamic faith took over. Jews and Christians are supposed to be subdued and pay a special tax for the privilege of living among Muslims. That’s the issue.

At present we are focused on israel, but proper land sales or not, everywhere there are many Muslims living alongside others: be they Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, or even Enlightenment athiests there are major problems with death tolls and the well-dosed threat of terrorism.

This is proof that the problem is Islam. Otherwise at this point the Israelis would’ve hammered out a deal and that deal would’ve stuck... and a push here and a shove there the problem would’ve been licked.

Obviously Islam is a special case. Bali, Thailand, Nigeria, India, Philippines... and ALSO Isreal. This is the proper way to see the problem. And it’s a religious one. You can call it a thousand names. Reminding the Palestinians that they are an invented people might be a first step in the right direction, but the real issue, and what everybody in his right mind knows at this point is that Islam is the problem. Islam no matter if the people are invented or not.

Geert Wilders the Dutch politician came out and said it and (Glenn Beck called him a Fascist). Oriana Fallaci, unelected but once a leftwing writer, darling of the intellighenzia said it and was called a fascist.

Will Newt come out and say it? I doubt he needs history lessons.

[ml/nj]

Some Americans aren’t too happy about the now wealthy Chinese buying huge tracts of land out west. I’m sure they’re doing the transactions legally, but the legality of them is not the real concern... especially to the people living there.

Lots of people are unhappy about lots of things. If Chinese people are coming here and buying our land up under our laws, then it is theirs (the Chinese buyers). Who else do you think the land should belong to legally or morally?

You were the one who implied that the Jews have only a theological claim to the land, and not a legal one. Now you imply that legality is of little concern. It isn't to most of the people here at Free Republic who believe strongly in the right of property. These are not rights based upon what some claimant wants, be he a renter or a squatter, but rather they are based in law.

ML/NJ