Posted on 12/07/2011 8:54:12 PM PST by garjog
LOL
Another ‘Newt is another Reagan’ post.
Man we are screwed !
A few articles about Newt’s comparison to Churchill:
http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=181725
http://bobmccarty.com/2011/12/07/newt-gingrich-americas-21st-century-churchill/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/284220/mcquaid-gingrich-resembles-churchill-brian-bolduc
Article from May 2011 about Newt’s chances of winning:
I have been studying Newt closely and I can tell people it would be wise for Conservatives to get on board with Gingrich and work with him. In that way when he becomes President he will see that he needs Conservative support.
If you are Conservative and fail to support Gingrich then you can only blame yourself if Gingrich doesn't walk a straight line.
In many of his speeches - Gingrich talks about needing the help of the American people to lead America back to the right path. It would be a bad mistake if people think they can cast a vote and forget about the whole process.
Newt has been clear - he asks your help with "giving him good ideas and dealing with and shaping Congress".
What more can you ask of a Conservative president?
Do people think insulting him and ignoring him is going to work out well for the country?
Because let's face it - the former front-runners are not perfect and they had their chances and blew it.
We are lucky Gingrich is in the race because now we have a Conservative with a real chance. Otherwise we would be in the gutter right now thanks to these former front-runners who badly let us down. Some of them having actually done the Republican Party damage with their disastrous and embarrassing implosions.
Gingrich has not hurt us in this way while the other have!
So think about it because this is serious now - Are you going to support the next Conservative President, Gingrich, or not?
My first choice too. But she’s a youngster yet, has plenty of time, and when she does come to the table it’ll be the best vintage ever.
You obviously have no sense of humor. Did Newt do a commerical about global warming with Nancy Pelosi? Yes Did Newt do a collaboration with poverty pimp Sharpton about education? Yes
Newt does not have the character or conviction of his beliefs to be POTUS. I have no question he has the intellect, but the way he has tried to explain away some of his egregious positions changes (ie individual mandate, global warming, etc) disqualifies him in my eyes.
no other Republican candidate can come close to matching his record. It is also one that older voters in particular — with whom Mr. Gingrich performs extremely well — may be inclined to appreciate. Those older voters may have a keener sense of history and would have remembered that the House of Representatives had been dominated by Democrats for their entire adult lifetimes until Mr. Gingrich came into power.
I grew up with a House and Senate absolutely dominated by democrats. You can say all you want about Newt Gingrich, but one thing you can't say is that he sat on his hands.
He got in there and changed things and made a conservative difference. No way you can say that about any of the other candidates still in this race. I like Perry, but he inherited a conservative Texas. Same with Bachmann, but she has yet to accomplish one thing in the House. Santorum was a great warrior, but he rode the conservative wave; he didn't create it. Paul ran as a Libertarian about the time Gingrich was changing things. And Romney is a flat out liberal.
You’re right. Rush talked on Tuesday about conservatives who ignorantly say they’d let BHO have a 2nd term to “teach America a lesson”. He said how ridiculous, because a 2nd term would destroy this country and any of our people would be infinitely better than BHO.
I don’t see anyone here calling Newt a messiah. We just want the most conservative who can BEAT BHO - and that would NOT be Romney!
Funny, I recall Goldwater loosing and Johnson, with majorities in both houses, implementing The Great Society, which built on the New Deal Coalition and doubled down on the growth of government.
Goldwater ran as a conservative, but he accomplished NOTHING. In fact, he lost the election by one of the biggest landslides in history, which is exactly what gave Johnson the power to do what he did over the next 4 years. Please tell me what exactly you think Goldwater accomplished? Did he get a Republican House? NO ... that did not happen until 94 when Newt brought forth the Contract with America? Did he stop a single government program?
It fizzled for the same reason you see arguements here on FR today about the candidates. Leading conservatives is like herding cats. People get insane ideas regarding ideological purity tests, and absolutely will not accept anything less than 100% (even though no candidate actually scores 100%). Once a candidate fails once, they are never willing to forgive them, even if they later recant.
The real insanity comes when you see how convoluted they get to try to justify thier own candidate/position while excoriating another for the exact same thing. Case in point, most on FR love Sarah, and a big thing they criticize Newt for is backing Scozzafava instead of the conservative. They forget that Sarah backed McCain instead of the conservative the same year ... buy you never hear one of them saying that would have made Sarah unfit to be the R nominee do you?
The core advantage the D’s have on us is that they NEVER impose ideological purity tests on thier candidates. Why? Simple ... they know that rather than going for the big win, they can win by going for death by a thousand cuts. They can live with loosing a battle here and there, because in the long run, their agenda moves forward. If the R’s ever want to win and STAY in power, we have to learn to adopt thier tactics and stop destroying our own candidates.
Now you get to the real reason Gingrich is surging. R’s want to win in 2012, and Newt is the most articulate. Newt has gone out of his way to avoid attacking the other R’s, and people notice that. Now, when they attack him, it is easy to come to his defense, because he did nothing to bring the attack on.
Furthermore, the 2%’ers are 2%’ers because they cannot speak well. When you listen to them, you hear a monotony in thier voices that puts you to sleep, because they are saying the exact same thing they say every day. Newt comes along, and he is smart, and instead of giving a stump speech as an answer, he gives a little history lesson on the issue then proclaims his stance, which is justified by the history he just gave. It is refreshing.
Newt is going to win because the rest of the field is weak. I may not agree with 100% of what he has ever said or done, but you know what, I could not support ANY candidate had I put that test up, including Sarah. I am supporting the candidate that can sell the message to the American people, and right now, there is only one of those ... Newt. I am supporting the candidate that is not trying to destroy any of the other candidates ... and again, that is Newt. I am supporting the candidate that has ACCOMPLISHED more as a conservative than all the other candidates combined, and that again, is NEWT.
I pray that Newt will give us a strong VP ... personally I hope it is Sarah on the other half of the ticket again. I do believe he will put conservatives in key positions, like when he talks about Bolton for SoS. I do believe that with him at the helm, even if we do not take back the Senate, he will turn the country around. I cannot say that about any other candidate.
If I have to pick a candidate from this group it would most definitely be Bachmann. Why? Much less chance of blowing up in the WH as a liberal. If Newt could ever make it to the WH and he continued his recent progressive patterns there, then how could anyone supporting him complain? Because of silly threads like this?
You miss the point of the particular threads I am choosing to comment on. This and a recent one are claiming Newt is an Reagan/uber-conservative. That is different than saying he stinks but Romney stinks more so we should support him for that rason. If Newt is now what is considered the model conservative then we are screwed!
I repeat what I said the last comment. I trust Bachmann much more than Newt to have power and more than any of the others. She is a constitutional conservative and a pretty sincere one as I see it. And I dont see anything especially ‘electable’ about Newt, he is just the most recent flavor of the month as Palin put it once.
Back in 2008 I was being lectured over and over here how the RINO McCain was the best suited to beat Obama, he had the moderates and hispanics and MSM with him and he was a war hero with all that experience(and he had a sense of humor) . I was told to support him because he was electable. When guess what?
Voters figured out McCain was a phony flipping on most of his real positions for the POTUS run. McCain even flipped on TARP within three weeks of voting for it. I knew McCain would get creamed. Maryland's ex-RINO governor got creamed for similar reasons.
Your two posted comments are acceptable answers.
So now the Newt Bots are attacking Barry Goldwater. Interesting, I thought Newt was the conservative.
Thanks, they are my honest opinions and not new to me.
I was worried for a minute that you were going to go marine-postal on me :)
Nice try on changing the subject, but you fail ...
You said what Newt did in 94 was not special, because Goldwater did it in 64. I asked a direct question. What did Goldwater actually accomplish. That is not an attack on Goldwater, it is an attack on you throwing out a ridiculous arguement. Now, either back up your initial arguement, or back down. What did Goldwater accomplish in 64 that ended the New Deal?
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