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MICHAEL PETTIS: Here's How You Know China Is Overinvesting
Business Insider ^ | 12/03/11 | Michael Pettis

Posted on 12/04/2011 2:31:20 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

MICHAEL PETTIS: Here's How You Know China Is Overinvesting

Michael Pettis, China Financial Markets | Dec. 3, 2011, 10:26 AM | 4,011 | 7

Michael Pettis

For years I have been arguing that the Achilles heel of the Chinese growth model is the unsustainable rise in debt that comes as a necessary consequence of capital misallocation fueled by bank lending. Capital misallocation, I argued, was the nearly inevitable consequence of high investment growth over many years in a system in which price signals are severely distorted and there is political incentive to maximize economic activity in the near term. If capital misallocation is funded by debt, the increase in debt is necessarily unsustainable.

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1) Whether the total economic costs of investment are less than the total economic benefits, and

2) Whether there is a mismatch in the timing of costs and benefits.

The first point determines whether the investment is ever wealth enhancing, and the second determines whether or not in the medium term there is a worsening of the underlying imbalance. This means that in discussing whether or not capital is being misallocated it is not enough to assert that electric cars will one day be an important technology

Electric cars?

My problem with Chinese investment in the electric car industry had nothing to do with my superior knowledge of the prospects for the industry (I have none). It had mostly to do with my basic instinct that risky high-technology ventures are not best funded and directed by companies, industries and policymakers who are historically weak in the technology sector, especially when they have no shareholder or budget constraints and have almost unlimited access to heavily-subsidized capital. This seemed to me a recipe for wasted investment.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; debt; overinvestment
risky high-technology ventures are not best funded and directed by companies, industries and policymakers who are historically weak in the technology sector, especially when they have no shareholder or budget constraints and have almost unlimited access to heavily-subsidized capital. This seemed to me a recipe for wasted investment.

A cogent argument

1 posted on 12/04/2011 2:31:24 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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P!


2 posted on 12/04/2011 2:32:29 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This seemed to me a recipe for wasted investment.

A cogent argument

Begging your pardon, but it is not a cogent argument, but a damnable, bald-faced LIE.

It may, however, be trivially corrected as follows:

This seemed to me a recipe for wasted investment wholesale theft.

See also the entire Green Movement and most of the Chicago machine infesting the White House.

Cheers!

3 posted on 12/04/2011 5:39:26 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
When you can spot the problem from orbit, you have a problem...



One of dozens of Chinese "Ghost Cities" empty of inhabitants...
4 posted on 12/04/2011 5:57:15 AM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I think he is not aware of the the technology coming from Japan and being cross pollinated with the Chinese efforts. The two are developing new technology that is not present here.

The Japanese academics developed an electric car that in a drag race defeated the best gas engine and Toyota and Porsche had to bring to the contest. These people collaborated with Chinese and we don’t know what will ultimately develop.

To rant about misallocation of capital for an electric car in a populous nation with crowded polluted cities seems to me to be academic nonsense


5 posted on 12/04/2011 6:11:07 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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Thanks TigerLikesRooster.
The first point determines whether the investment is ever wealth enhancing, and the second determines whether or not in the medium term there is a worsening of the underlying imbalance.

6 posted on 12/04/2011 7:06:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bert
The Japanese academics developed an electric car that in a drag race defeated the best gas engine and Toyota and Porsche had to bring to the contest. These people collaborated with Chinese and we don’t know what will ultimately develop

A very fast car but also very very expensive (in short a money-wasting toy).

7 posted on 12/04/2011 4:42:59 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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-——in short a money-wasting toy-——

It is difficult to separate objects of men’s passions from their toys.

In the case of the auto in question it was developed from scratch by a group of engineers of different disciplines. None was a car guy. They developed the various electric motors that drove the 8 wheels, the electronics, the mechanics and the all new and different batteries and every thing else.

While it was a toy of sorts, it was actually pure research into the design of everything new. Spending money on R&D is always a crap shoot. It may or may not pan out. They were driven to use their engineering and manufacturing talents to create something completely new

They went to China to discuss the new battery technology being developed there but did not reach agreement. The point is that there are similar minded fol;ks in China conducting new and sophisticated research


8 posted on 12/04/2011 5:19:08 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: palmer
A very fast car but also very very expensive (in short a money-wasting toy).

Plenty of folks thought cars would always be very very expensive and money-wasting until Henry Ford came long. Adjusted for inflation, the Model Ts in the 1910s were selling for the equivalent of $7,000 today and some of the Model As were selling well below the equivalent of $7,000 today.

10 years from now that technology will be very cheap.
9 posted on 12/05/2011 12:14:10 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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