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National Review ^ | 11/30/11 | Michael Tanner

Posted on 11/30/2011 10:27:18 AM PST by Bokababe

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To: ExTxMarine

“As a junior publicist, we weren’t being paid for our personal opinions. But we are now, so you will be the first to know that when we worked at Heritage, we hated the Heritage plan, especially the individual mandate. “Universal health care” was neither already established nor inevitable, and we thought the foundation had made a serious philosophical and strategic error in accepting rather than disputing the left-liberal notion that the provision of “quality, affordable health care” to everyone was a proper role of government.”

And this component of ObamaCare (and HillaryCare) is “different to you how? Remember, you started this by saying the whole thing was BS. My response was aa comparison of the components. You went off on some tangent. I am bringing it back. How are these compnents different? And remember, this is written by a pretty well respected fellow who is not lying about this. in fact, if you need more verification, there are HUNDREDS of citations on the net. HUNDREDS.

And you still have not shown where I compared the plans as equal. Because I never did.


41 posted on 11/30/2011 2:16:14 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

WORD UP, DUDE!


42 posted on 11/30/2011 2:17:47 PM PST by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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To: jessduntno

Please see my post (#28).

Once again, the reason I go ballistic when I see posts stating that Heritage, Newt or other “conservative think tanks” came up with the idea of an individual mandate is because they leave that statement hanging - without the history. It is a tactic which the MSM and liberals use to often slight conservatives and it is wrong.

In your original post you even stated, “Let’s not revise history, shall we?” You left that statement hanging, which implies that Newt recommended a similar mandate as to the one with which we are currently facing. If you only tell part of history, especially when trying to compare something with today’s standards, you are implying they are the same or similar or comparable.

My posts were to ensure you and inform those who do not know - THAT THE MANDATES ARE NOT EVEN COMPARABLE!

Personally, I do not like Newt and do not intend to vote for him (unless I am forced into another hold-my-nose situation as with McCaint)!


43 posted on 11/30/2011 2:32:16 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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And this component of ObamaCare (and HillaryCare) is “different" to you how?

With the original mandate, if I had money in savings, I could opt out of the mandate! Under ObamaCare there is NO "opt out" option! I would say that is pretty "different," wouldn't you agree?
44 posted on 11/30/2011 2:39:34 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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45 posted on 11/30/2011 2:48:02 PM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: ExTxMarine

“With the original mandate, if I had money in savings, I could opt out of the mandate! Under ObamaCare there is NO “opt out” option! I would say that is pretty “different,” wouldn’t you agree?”

No. There is an opt out. I think. It hasn’t been passed yet - remember - we have to pass it before we can read it!

Hahahahaha. You been a good scout about this, but we are so splitting hairs now, I feel like the guy whose friend wanted him to go with him to look up his horses ass to see what killed it. I just don’t care enough about this anymore. Let’s say you win on a TKO.


46 posted on 11/30/2011 2:54:11 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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Let’s say you win on a TKO.

I too have enjoyed the sparring, and we may very well be splitting hairs. But, they still have draws, so let's call it a draw! Thanks for the conversation.
47 posted on 11/30/2011 3:05:54 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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