Posted on 11/29/2011 12:50:31 PM PST by CincyRichieRich
When I post things like this, folks here seem to think I'm a sell out, fake conservative, etc. Fine, I can't add enough words to convince...I admit I like to predict stuff, like to get others' opinions, quite frankley, because we all need some comfort in such times as I would hope we're mostly all friends here. Having said that, this is a friendly chat. I am trying to sort things out in both the primary and the G.E.
My take is: Cain is out; his fault or not, he's out. If he did do the things accused of, then he's stupid for not thinking it would come out. At the same time, we eat our own with regularity.
Newt is gonna challenge Romney and has his MANY flaws and hypocritical sides; if he wins the nomination, I think he CAN beet Obama. Obama has so many negatives, however, the MSM carries his piss bucket and hides them. Newt can win;he's better as a VP, however.
Romney I think can win the nomination and GE, however, there will be a revolt with FREEP and other conservative sites and groups and followers...that will cost us both the presidency and our nation. I really dislike Romney, but I don't think Newt is that much better. Romney is like a supreme court justice who was appointed by GHWBush...we saw his true colors after he was appointed. Obama knows about the schism Romney would create; that's why his regime is ignoring Newt.
Bachman is a VP candidate at best.
Santorum is a VP candidate as he may be able to deliver PA.
Palin is a wild card; rescuer? Is this why she is so silent?
Christie spouts off to stroke his ego; gut I like his bystander comment about Obama.
We aint got much and that concerns me, and, we are not united enough to defeat Obama if Palin doesn't jump in IF Romney is left standing. Our country is gone at that juncture.
You are correct. I voted for McCain but did not like him at all but voted and I will do the same in this election.
I guess I better brush up on my spanish.
That would be brilliant!!!”
If you're a “big government” type conservative.
I live in VA and voted for Bob McDonnell both as Governor and Lieutenant Governor; as he was the best candidate available; however, he is definitely more of a “big government” type conservative ...he's already pushing “Mass Transit/High Speed Rail” and reverting I-95 to a toll road once again. If you had said Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli; that’d be a different story ...but, someone would have to move out of VA as all three of these individuals are VA residents, at present.
Now, assuming Newt wins the nomimation (which I am not conceding at this point); Gov of SC (Nikki Haley) or LA (Bobby Jindahl) as VEEP would make more sense to me.
I do like your AG a whole lot!
And Jindahl would be outstanding, as well.
Your post summarizes why I am seriously considering just sitting this election out if Cain drops out.
I haven’t read the comments yet, but we need to stop thinking of VP as a “Second Place” or “Consolation Prize.” The best VPs are guys who were never running for President in the first place. George HW Bush was a consolation prize, and was an abysmal one-term President when he came up.
The best VPs are the ones that bring either ideological or geographical balance to the ticket.
The only consideration here, is President or not? Ignore VP.
It comes down to math. Emotions are easy to try to run with, but it’s math we have to deal with.
Let’s start with the easy one: Palin. The math is she has already missed filing deadlines in too many States. She is out.
Now we move on to Bachmann, Santorum, and Huntsman. Less than 10% polling in all major States, they are out.
Ron Paul has 15 to 18% of the polls. He has his section, but he won’t win any State. He is the wildcard (where will his support slosh around?).
So we now needs to look at Cain, Perry, Gingrich, and Romney.
Cain has hit a ceiling of around 27%. I don’t think he can get much higher in any of his polls.
Romney has a very hard cap of 30% in the polls. His only chance is winning a plurality where 30% slips over the top. He absolutely must win New Hampshire plus either Iowa or South Carolina in order to move that cap up.
Perry has plenty of money, good organization, and people lined up to endorse him... if he can prove he can win. He needs a win. He needs it bad. If he doesn’t end up in 2nd in either New Hampshire or Iowa, he is done.
Gingrich has the momentum. He is raising funds and he has timed his “peak” at the right time. If he wins Iowa, and he comes in second in New Hampshire, the he removes Perry from the race and probably Cain as well. If Romney has to run one on one against Gingrich, Gingrich wins the nomination hands down.
Of course we have 5 weeks before Iowa, and that is like 5 lifetimes in the world of politics. But this is my view as of this moment.
Somebody who’s with me 70% of the time is my ally. Somebody who’s against me 70% of the time is the enemy.
Newt = Quisling. His default stance with the other side is offering terms of surrender in exchange for personal favors.
Cain is not out.
Aide: Herman Cain will stay in the race
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/aide-herman-cain-will-stay-in-the-race/
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Romney I think can win the nomination and GE, however, there will be a revolt with FREEP and other conservative sites and groups and followers...that will cost us both the presidency and our nation.
Please ‘splain how he can win the GE and then cost us the presidency?
Both of these cases make Obama Regime II, which destroys our country completely.
Romney is no conservative, but he’s not communist, either. I want Perry or Gingrich at this point assuming Cain is gone and I don’t like Romney.
I’ll certainly vote Romney if it is down to him and the Commie.
Aide: Herman Cain will stay in the race
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/aide-herman-cain-will-stay-in-the-race/
Sorry to burst your bubble.
What did he say on FNC?
Mr. Cain is not as clueless on foreign policy as the media talking heads and Cain haters on FR would have you believe.
In fact, he will be rolling out his National Security/Foreign Policy strategy tonight at Hillsdale College.
FOREIGN POLICY
EDITORIAL: Cain’s foreign policy
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/24/cains-foreign-policy/
“My foreign policy is an extension of the Reagan philosophy. My philosophy is peace through strength and clarity. We must clarify who our friends are; clarify who are enemies are; and stop giving money to our enemies. We need to tell the rest of the world who our friends are and that we stand with our friends... If you mess with Israel, you mess with the United States of America.” - Herman Cain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGAtrSVgyb0
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From Herman Cain’s website:
The primary duty of the President of the United States is to protect our people. In fact, it is the principal duty of a limited federal government. They must ensure that our military and all of our security agencies are strong and capable.
Unfortunately, national security has become far too politicized with our elected officials using the issue as a means to polarize our country as the “war hawks” and the “peace doves.” In response, the safety and morale of our brave men and women in uniform are often at risk for political gain. The judgment of our military experts on the ground is often underutilized in exchange for political purposes. National security isn’t about politics. It’s about defending America.
While diplomacy is a critical tool in solving the complex security issues we face, it must never compromise military might. Because we are such a free and prosperous people, we are the envy of the world. Many regimes seek to destroy us because they are threatened by our ideals, and they resent our prosperity. We must acknowledge the real and present danger that terrorist nations and organizations pose to our country’s future.
Further, we must stand by our friends and we must not be fooled by our enemies. We should never be deceived by terrorists. They only have one objective, namely, to kill all of us. We must always remain vigilant in dealing with adversaries.
We must support our military with the best training, equipment, technology and infrastructure necessary to keep them in a position to win. We must also provide our men and women in uniform, our veterans and their families with the benefits they deserve for their tremendous sacrifice. These heroes have served us. We must never forget to serve them.
Cain discusses foreign policy in interviews:
with Dick Morris - http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/herman-cain-interview-on-new-ideas-to-tame-iran-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/
Henry Kissinger who said he had talked to all the Candidates and only Cain was asking the right questions?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282241/kissinger-digs-cain-s-brilliant-video-robert-costa
with Bill O’Reilly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJjAJeyYhAg
Cain’s Position on Israel: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/28/the-u-s-must-stand-with-israel/
Summary of Foreign Policy Stance:
http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues
Values Voters Speech:
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-brings-the-house-down-at-values-voter-summit/
Seeing Green in Red China
December 3, 2005
By Herman Cain
http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-120305.asp
Back to Terrorism Reality: Islamic Fascists are the Enemy
July 9, 2007
By Herman Cain
http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-070907.asp
Anatomy of World War III
July 26, 2006
By Herman Cain
http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-072606.asp
Cain’s foreign policy team:
Foreign policy:
Cain’s Foreign Policy Team
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/10/26/raising_cain_inside_herman_cain_s_new_foreign_policy_team#.TqhMZVVMvei.facebook
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And what really happened in the Libya interview?
The Gaffe That Almost Wasn’t
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2809479/posts
Statements specifically on Libya:
Presser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJylwgRHrgQ
South Carolina FOX debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWX8lckeH38&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0CC93A67FC94A391
CBS debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s2eMm1rgdo
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Reference your comment on Governor McDonnell, I just heard on WRVA News that he is proposing cutting some redundant state agencies here in the Commonwealth; so, he deserves credit for doing that. Kudos Governor!
The following is a salient, genius analysis:
Obama’s Winning Election Strategy Revealed
godfatherpolitics.com ^ | Nov 28, 2011 | godfatherpolitics.com
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:43:32 PM by Iam1ru1-2
When someone has to use a teleprompter all the time, it’s because he doesn’t believe what he’s reading. The words are not his own. People who know and believe a certain way don’t need notes. You know they believe what they’re saying because the words roll of their tongue. There is passion in their words and fire in their eyes.
President Obama has a love/hate relationship with the presidency. As a Leftist, he believed coming into office that he could change the world by executive fiat. He would speak and the laws would change. It didn’t happen. Sure, he’s gotten some legislation passed, but it’s been hard. He’s not used to hard. You can tell by how much he likes to play. He’s not engaged.
Obama doesn’t have a feel for what America is about. He wasn’t raised in a pro-American environment. He grew up and surrounded himself with Leftists. These people hate America and want it to be relegated to the dustbin of history.
There aren’t enough people in America who fit the Leftist profile to make an easy sweep of Leftist policies. But that’s beginning to change.
Daniel Pipes encapsulates what he calls “Obama’s Leftist Conundrum”:
On the one hand, as a Leftist he despises the United States and sees it as a force for ill in the world. On the other, as president, [he] is judged by how well the country fares during his tenure.
Logically, he cannot reconcile the contradiction of these two imperatives: If he wants to be reelected and celebrated as a great leader, he has to forward American interests; but if he wants to implement his preferred policies, he subverts the country and fouls his nest.
This means that if President Obama is to win the presidency again and implement the Leftist worldview that he envisions will bring all of his ideological training to fruition, he has to make an aggressive political decision. He must decide what group of voters will help him further his agenda. Thomas Edsall, surprisingly from the New York Times, writes an insightful article. It’s titled “The Future of the Obama Coalition.”
“For decades, Democrats have suffered continuous and increasingly severe losses among white voters. But preparations by Democratic operatives for the 2012 election make it clear for the first time that the party will explicitly abandon the white working class.”
“All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment — professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.
Presently, we are a 50-50 nation. Fifty percent of voters have no economic skin in the game. Then there are the government employees who depend on taxes to keep them employed. Talk about tax cuts scares them. With revenue down, they will be affected first. Nearly 50 percent of Americans don’t pay a dime in federal taxes. Once we reach a tipping point, that is, once that number goes over 50 percent (it’s around 47 percent), the game is nearly over. It becomes an election of sheep and wolves, and we’re the sheep.
“Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote. . . . Voters and politicians alike would do well to take a look at the rights we each hold, which must never be chipped away by the whim of the majority.”
We’re lunch. Obama understands this very simple principle. He is counting on the wolves to vote en masse while hoping that the sheep will divide their vote.
The Republicans can’t get together on a candidate. This is troublesome. I’m not sure what the answer is. At this point, we’re down to Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, and Newt Gingrich. Any one of these candidates will turn off a lot of anti-Obama voters. Personally, I think it’s going to come down to Newt versus Mitt.
What we need is a “Contract for 2012.” Before we get to the primary season, each candidate will be called on to sign the contract and take an oath to uphold it. Part of that contract will include a resignation clause. Any violation of the contract’s provision will mean a 30-day resignation window either to change his mind or resign.
You'd sit out the entire election, or just not vote for president? If the former, then I disagree. Those who haven't given up need as conservative a Congress as possible to stop the White House, whether that is led by Romney or by Obama. If the latter, that's your decision and I can't argue.
—Anybody but Obama saves this country from the abyss.—
That is where we differ. I don’t think there is a human solution to this. We are past that point. I’ve repeatedly used the more detailed analogy that changing presidents is like changing captains on the titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg: You may get nuanced changes in how the lifeboats are manned, but the ship is still going down, and there are not nearly enough lifeboats. It will cause, uh, complications, as it becomes clear to everyone that there is no time left.
Just the vote for president.
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