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How To Tell Who Is A "Moderate" Islamist? An Exam (Dr. Rubin Will Grade You Today!
Rubin Reports ^ | 11/26/2011 | Barry Rubin

Posted on 11/26/2011 2:18:41 PM PST by goldstategop

The Muslim Brotherhood held a rally at Cairo’s most important mosque. Demonstrators chanted, “One day we shall kill all Jews.”

Question 1: How can you tell they are “moderate Islamists?”

Answer: They said “one day,” in other words, they aren’t going to do it this week.

Question 2: At the rally someone said:

“In order to build Egypt, we must be one. Politics is insufficient. Faith in Allah is the basis for everything. The al-Aqsa Mosque is currently under an offensive by the Jews.” Who was it?

Answer: Ahmed al-Tayeb, the “moderate” president of al-Azhar University and arguably the most important Muslim cleric in Egypt. Note: al-Aqsa Mosque is not under attack by Jews.

Question 3: Why did al-Tayeb talk this way in the context of calling for a Jihad against Israel?

Answer: Maybe he isn’t so moderate. But more importantly it is part of the general radicalization of Islam that is going to happen in Egypt now that the Brotherhood will be running the place and thus also his desire to survive rather than be branded a lackey of the Zionist-imperialist crusade to destroy Islam and have his head cut off. (See Question 1.)

Question 4: Can someone be a “moderate Muslim” or “moderate Islamist” and call for a Jihad to wipe Israel off the map?

Answer: Apparently yes. Muslim Brotherhood spokesmen made such calls at the rally yet the Obama Administration holds that the Brotherhood is moderate and the U.S. government supports its taking power in Egypt.

Question 5: How did the Muslim Brotherhood get the Jewish calendar wrong?

Answer: “Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv, judgment day has come.” In fact, Yom Kippur was last October 8

Question 6: An elementary school teacher Ala al-Din said, “All Egyptian Muslims are willing to embark on Jihad for the sake of Palestine.” What does he teach little children in school?

Answer: that all Egyptian Muslims should embark on Jihad to destroy Israel.

Question 7: Why don’t American officials, journalists, and “experts” understand Islamists?

Answer: Ala al-Din explained it: “Why is the US losing in Afghanistan? Because the other side is willing and wants to die. We have a different mentality than that of the Americans and Jews.” In other words because they don’t understand that people in the Arabic-speaking world have “a different mentality.”

Question 8: Is this mentality somehow biological or innate in Islam?

Answer: No, it is the result of historical processes, political culture, indoctrination in school and mosque and media, dominant ideology, and from the demagoguery of leaders.

Question 9: Why don’t Western reporters see what’s going on and report it fully?

Answer: They weren’t’ wearing their glasses so they didn’t see the signs; they weren’t’ wearing their hearing aids so they didn’t hear the chants.

Question 10: But these journalists, along with the officials and “experts” are idols of the Western elite, so is there any precedent for this?

Answer: Yes indeed! See here on line 16.

Question 11: Who said that the Muslim Brotherhood is “a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence” and what is he doing now?

Answer: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and he’s still director of national intelligence.

Question 12: Who said “Parties committed to democracy must reject violence….And in a region with deep divisions within and between religions, they cannot be the spark that starts a conflagration” and does that person react to what the Muslim Brotherhood actually says?

Answer: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and no.

Question 13: What possible rationale could she have for not dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood’s bloodthirsty totalitarian orientation and intolerance?

Answer: See Question 1. Extra credit question: Why will many Americans—including Jews–vote to reelect President Barack Obama despite the fact that his administration is whitewashing, supporting, and may soon be funding the world’s most powerful and genocidal-oriented antisemitic, anti-Christian, and anti-American group?

Answer: I don’t know. I only write about the Middle East.


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To: goldstategop

“Question 1: How can you tell they are “moderate Islamists?”

That’s a trick question- there are no such creatures as moderate Islamists.


21 posted on 11/26/2011 3:48:53 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: goldstategop

I’m still wondering how some Americans can still support our policies towards Kosovo and the Islamists who stole it from Serbia?


22 posted on 11/26/2011 3:57:13 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Yehuda

I’ve talked to some of my Muslim friends about such words. They call it nonsense, rhetoric, not representative of their own beliefs. Of course, like many Christians, they would like to see others join their faith. But never by force.


23 posted on 11/26/2011 3:58:34 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: goldstategop
But given that Muslims are required, under taqiyya, to lie to we infidels, you can't trust a single word they say.

They're all extremists.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

24 posted on 11/26/2011 4:47:30 PM PST by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: Yehuda

Did you see the phrase “such words”? Sorry. You’re branding an entire group of people based on one fundamentalist element. Bad logic.


26 posted on 11/26/2011 5:01:33 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: goldstategop

Islam is not a religion. It is a DEATH CULT.

27 posted on 11/26/2011 5:07:10 PM PST by RasterMaster ("To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: goldstategop

Question 11: Who said that the Muslim Brotherhood is “a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence” and what is he doing now?

Answer: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and he’s still director of national intelligence

....

That tells us all we need to know about the idiots in charge over in DC.


28 posted on 11/26/2011 5:08:51 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: RasterMaster
Islam is not a religion. It is a DEATH CULT.

And if I had my way, a DEATH SENTENCE!

29 posted on 11/26/2011 5:21:47 PM PST by IrishPennant (We don't want to work so we go to work to make enough money not to work...Huh?)
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To: IrishPennant

Would you be OK executing American Muslims? I mean, is that what you’re implying?


30 posted on 11/26/2011 5:29:27 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: sand lake bar

Define executing?


31 posted on 11/26/2011 6:09:07 PM PST by IrishPennant (We don't want to work so we go to work to make enough money not to work...Huh?)
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To: IrishPennant

Define “death sentence.”


32 posted on 11/26/2011 6:18:10 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: sand lake bar
Define “death sentence.”

When one switches the topic from moderate islamist, which there are none, to muslim. I never said death to muslims.

This is America, built on tolerance of religion...built by our Founding Fathers on the difference of religion, as long as that religion believed in the Almighty God...a God of tolerance...yet a God who has time and time again put asunder entire civilizations of those who sought to do harm to other civilizations.

You changed my response about the filthy islamist who believe that all those who don't believe in their version of god must die at their hands, as do the islamists.

An islamist should be considered no different than a communist....oh, wait...we allow commies in this country since the purple lipped SOB took office. I forgot how weak we have become and how quickly we have stopped challenging other God fearing Americans to stand beside us in wanting those who wish to strike down my dear, sweet 14 year old boy in cold blood simply because he does not pray to their version of Allah.

Define "Death Sentence"? I single shot from an M-16 at 500 yards (sorry, I am an 80's Marine) in my day right in the effin' forehead would give me several great wet dreams!!! Yep, that would do.

Play games with your Grandma, who pays no attention when you manipulate the topic...not me. And I warn you...you are already low on ammo.

33 posted on 11/26/2011 6:55:25 PM PST by IrishPennant (We don't want to work so we go to work to make enough money not to work...Huh?)
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To: goldstategop

So called “moderate” muslims bow to Mecca 5 times a day every day and never bother to speak out against the segregation there, the death sentence for any non-muslim who’d dare enter, the State’s prohibition on non-Islamic religious texts and the State burning said privately owned religious texts when they are seized.


34 posted on 11/26/2011 6:56:01 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Since Obama's only challengers in 2012 are in the GOP debates, including him the next 15.)
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To: IrishPennant

35 posted on 11/26/2011 8:29:08 PM PST by RasterMaster ("To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: RasterMaster
Thanks, Raster...I know the muslim religion as a whole. Centuries ago it was a peaceful religion which has been bastardized for the aggressions of a culture. In their case, aggression equates to greed, occupation and corruption of others who believe not in what they believe.

Only those who know Him shall prevail. I'm good...not concerned. Just ready to continue the battle.

36 posted on 11/26/2011 8:48:26 PM PST by IrishPennant (We don't want to work so we go to work to make enough money not to work...Huh?)
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To: goldstategop

Our foreign policy establishment believes that any Islamist not killing Americans is moderate. Hence Bin Laden would have been a moderate in 1996 and the Pentagon hosted Anwar Al-Awlaki in 2002. Our political class has no desire to understand the enemy. Any group that wants to restore the Caliphate and believes that Islam will rule the world is not a moderate. Any group that believes, as the Muslim Brotherhood does, in a motto like “Allah is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.” isn’t moderate. They are Islamists and they hate us. They are simply Mensheviks to the Bolsheviks of Al Qaeda.


37 posted on 11/27/2011 1:17:40 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: IrishPennant
Thanks, Raster...I know the muslim religion as a whole. Centuries ago it was a peaceful religion which has been bastardized for the aggressions of a culture. In their case, aggression equates to greed, occupation and corruption of others who believe not in what they believe.
Since the moment Mohammed chose to conquer Yathrib/Medina and slaughter and enslave the people who gave him and the early Muslims refuge, when has Islam been a peaceful religion?
38 posted on 11/27/2011 1:22:02 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: sand lake bar
I have known many muslims. There are statistics to show how many support the Jihad and how many do not. In western countries it runs around 10 to 40% support the Jihad.

Those that do not support the Jihad understand Islam as much as most of those that celebrate Christmas understand Christianity. In other words most people that claim to be a specific religion do not understand it.

39 posted on 11/27/2011 1:30:07 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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