Posted on 11/26/2011 8:38:29 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
WASHINGTON — Newt Gingrich isn’t backing off his “humane” immigration stance despite complaints from Republican hardliners and fellow Presidential hopefuls — he’s embellishing it.
The former House speaker issued “10 Steps to a Legal Nation” this week, expanding on his remarks during Tuesday’s GOP debate
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Those guilty only of sneaking into the U.S. would have a path “to legality, but not citizenship” similar to the existing naturalization process, plus a penalty fee of at least $5,000.
(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...
I didn’t present it as news, it came from the article.
Senator Rubio and Governor Scott were not where in sight and have no intention of joining Newt on the Campaign trail.
Newt has been billing himself as a Tea Party Candidate but here in SWFlorida a recent poll showed that 58% of the folks would not vote for him.
The Tea Party here has come up with a sweet little song:
Newt's a little tea pot short and stout
He opens his mouth and crap comes out
Of course, that tells the age group that know Newt's history all too well. His Immigration platform and his morals aren't going to make him Florida's choice come the end of January.
It’s a 3rd tier problem as far as you are concerned because you can not see past the end of your nose. Quit being so myopic. You may enjoy the view.
Senator Rubio and Governor Scott were no where in sight and have no intention of joining Newt on the Campaign trail.
Newt has been billing himself as a Tea Party Candidate but here in SWFlorida a recent poll showed that 58% of the folks would not vote for him.
The Tea Party here has come up with a sweet little song:
Newt's a little tea pot short and stout
He opens his mouth and crap comes out
Of course, that tells the age group that know Newt's history all too well. His Immigration platform and his morals aren't going to make him Florida's choice come the end of January.
No, I’m correct. There is not a candidate out there saying we should not close the border down tight. Some favor a fence, and some a combination of a partial fence, technology, and troops.
I prefer a fence, technology, and troops. I hate to put military troops on the border, so I’d change the name of the entire reserve program to “reserve”, and I’d make the #1 mission of the National Guard to be just that...guarding the nation’s borders and the Coast GUARD guards our coasts.
The border patrol would be incorporated into the national guard.
While these are essentially name changes, I’d take a huge chunk of the current National Guard and actually leave them with the new National Guard and utilize their part-time nation to supplement the full time element coming from the Border Patrol. It would greatly expand with the 2 week annual time on the border and the one weekend a month.
“Do you see a political will emerging to secure the border without some plan for those that are already here?”
Sure - there is A LOT MORE political will to secure the border than there is to figure out what to do with the Illegals, as people are somewhat split on the Illegals.
“I don’t see it happening and the longer we wait for the perfect plan the less likely we are to get anything done.”
The ONLY thing that is holding up securing the border is that we ALWAYS seem to elect open-borders types for President. This reminds me of New York City - when they said for decades that crime could NEVER be solved. Well, what was their problem - they kept electing mayors that DIDN’T WANT to solve crime. Finally it got to be too much, Rudy was elected, and the rest was history (and without ANY new laws or other help).
As Reagan also showed, people tend to underestimate what having a leader at the top can do, with or without ‘legislation’. In Reagan’s case he said that he would “deal with” the Iranians holding American hostages. Those hostages were released 1 minute after Reagan was inaugurated.
“I think the visa idea is probably the best we can do with those that are anchored here by their American born children.”
I don’t think we have ANYTHING to gain by even discussing this, at this point. We secure the border, then we can start talking about them. They won’t go anywhere, there simply is NO REASON to be discussing them now.
You are still stuck on that phony question. What to do about the 12 or 30 million is not the question. The question is are we going to enforce our laws.
Neither you, nor I, nor any of the candidates running can wave a magic wand and gather all twelve or thirty million together into one spot. They can only be dealt with as they are found and that is in limited numbers at a time. This procedure has already been tried in the past and we already know it works. As soon as the illegals see that we are serious about enforcing our laws, and
1. They can’t find work and
2. Their stolen social security numbers will be investigated, and
3. They get caught when they have to give proof they are citizens in order to apply for benefits for their “American” babies and Social Security Disability payments for their “American” children,
4. They receive basic medical treatment and then they will be processed home
5. They will no longer receive EITC tax credit payments from the IRS
They will leave on their own rather than get caught. If they can’t work here. If they can’t get benefits here. If they can’t get more than basic medical treatment here. If they can’t collect benefits for the “American-born” children without being caught and returned home. If they can no longer collect cash payments from the IRS. There will be no point in staying here.
If your problem has to do with what Cain will answer when liberals pose the same dummy question you’ve posed, once again I will give you the right answer. It is the same thing Cain been saying all the years and multiple times since that little article from four or five years ago that you found was written.
I would hope Cain would be too smart to fall for that dummy loaded question of yours. But his answer should be that whether it’s twelve million or thirty, each illegal will be dealt with according to the laws already on the books. That is the law they broke, they’ll get no special protection from our laws out of him. His job as president is to defend and protect this country and its citizens by enforcing our laws, not having special laws written for illegals.
I think it is very odd that you don’t understand that. But then again, you have your own agenda.
Yes. The power of those on the other side.
The RATs don't play by the rules. For them their politics are a religion and are served by accomplishing their goals by whatever means necessary. The courts are infested with these people and through the courts the power of the magnet that draws illegals has increased. If we are going to save the America that is a shining light to a dark world we need to secure the border. So if a visa program gets the border secured first before it's implemented I will support it.
No, I’m correct. There is not a candidate out there saying we should not close the border down tight. Some favor a fence, and some a combination of a partial fence, technology, and troops.
I prefer a fence, technology, and troops. I hate to put military troops on the border, so I’d change the name of the entire reserve program to “reserve”, and I’d make the #1 mission of the National Guard to be just that...guarding the nation’s borders and the Coast GUARD guards our coasts.
The border patrol would be incorporated into the national guard.
While these are essentially name changes, I’d take a huge chunk of the current National Guard and actually leave them with the new National Guard and utilize their part-time NATURE to supplement the full time element coming from the Border Patrol. It would greatly expand with the 2 week annual time on the border and the one weekend a month.
Yep. Myopic. That’s the spirit.
Newt and Romney are like two peas in a pod.
I wouldn’t vote for either one!
You're advocating the liberal line on a conservative website. Illegal invaders have no American rights under our system of jurisprudence. Those are reserved for AMERICANS.
What you advocate is a further watering down of our basic system, which would allow the status quo to continue, and would even further erode our natural sovereignty.
Get that crap out of here.
The thought you have expressed in your last sentence is exactly why illegals will get citizenship after flimflamming naive people like you on the “local boards” that Newt was talking about.
You really need to look up the definition of amnesty.
Add Florida to your list. We have current legislation in our State House right now. We are fed up with the illegals here in our Community. They don’t want to assimilate. They want to be Mexicans and the want every entitlement they can get from Uncle Sam.
Sounds like Hope & Change™ to me.
Seriously. Read Jim Rob's post at #24, if you want to see a workable solution.
Taken right out of the liberal talking points. Good show.
I don't give a rat's behind if they are white and from Canada. If they are here ILLEGALLY they deserve nothing, certainly not the amnesty Newt proposes.
FWIW, here’s Palin on illegals, not entirely closing the door on the 12m.
She says, no free pass. Make them register with the fed govt. If they don’t register, deport them. If they do register? “There has to be that expectation that they will work, they will contribute...If you are here illegally, and if you don’t follow the steps that at some point through immigration reform we’re going to be able to provide, and that is to somehow allow you to work, if you’re not going to do that then you will be deported...”
She starts reply around 2:30 in the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnadqoVPdw
Did you stop and think about it? Who calls ‘illegals’ ‘immigrants’? Isn’t that a liberal trick? They conflate illegals with legals, and pillory conservatives as being ‘unfair to immigrants’ [i.e.: implying conservatives have historically been unfair to legal immigrants]. That’s dirty and dishonest, and should always, always be called for what it is-—liberal lies and bias.
Would the results of the poll have been different if they’d asked about ‘illegals’, as opposed to ‘immigrants’? If so, then why even post the results, if they’re hopelessly slanted? I’m tired of liberals defining terms, and then trashing conservatives with faux polls/results. You should be too.
The blood of the infants rises to heaven. As God said to Cain in Genesis 4:10,
"The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground."
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