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Newt Gingrich Stands by 'Soft' Immigration Stance, Despite Party Backlash
Daily News ^ | November 25 2011 | staff

Posted on 11/26/2011 8:38:29 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion

WASHINGTON — Newt Gingrich isn’t backing off his “humane” immigration stance despite complaints from Republican hardliners and fellow Presidential hopefuls — he’s embellishing it.

The former House speaker issued “10 Steps to a Legal Nation” this week, expanding on his remarks during Tuesday’s GOP debate

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Those guilty only of sneaking into the U.S. would have a path “to legality, but not citizenship” similar to the existing naturalization process, plus a penalty fee of at least $5,000.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa; US: New Hampshire; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; amnewtsty; elections; gingrich; newtgingrich; newtonslaw; reevaluategingrich; rino
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To: BarnacleCenturion
After 24 hours of none stop trying to spin his way out of he reverses course, standard newtie. Flapping in the breeze, what a POS. Amnesty is amnesty Newt.
101 posted on 11/26/2011 10:07:15 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: Gator113

“Yes, finally a Republican candidate who is fair to immigrants 58%”

Oh, so the poll was about ‘immigrants’. That’s news. Here I thought it was about illegals. Silly me.


102 posted on 11/26/2011 10:08:38 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Lady Lucky
Cain also said that it could be left to the states, "the people closest to the problem" to determine what to do with their illegals because fedgov wasn't handling it.

Actually, AZ and AL are proof of the success of exactly that procedure as both are experiencing self-deportation of illegals.

Right now they're mostly going to other states. There are states that would welcome them, but those states will IMO RAPIDLY turn red as they experience the violent crimes that DO happen and the crushing financial burden. Ultimately the citizens will revolt even in the goofiest of states. If not, they'll go broke as they deserve to.

As long as fedgov doesn't step in to "stimulate" or "bail out" the stupid states, ultimately the problem will be solved, and it was very clear that Cain did NOT intend to interfere with the states.

103 posted on 11/26/2011 10:08:53 AM PST by Sal (WEASEL WORDS: A path to non-deportation. Let's keep US citizens out of work in favor of illegals.)
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To: P-Marlowe

“I guess we can go a whole century before we come up with a plan. How about that? “

That would be JUST FINE with me, if it avoids AMNESTY.

Why the hell does EVERY DAMN PLAN have to legalize these bastards?

It’s INCREDIBLE that Newt is so out of touch with the Republican base that he would propose something THIS STUPID before winning the primary. An adviser to a dog catcher could have told him to wait until the general election before talking about screwing over the country.

Anyway, he did us a HUGE FAVOR and showed that he’d be no different than Bush-43 (maybe worse, actually) and certainly no different from Governor Perry.


104 posted on 11/26/2011 10:09:02 AM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: SoConPubbie

Welcome to the Free Republic Circular Firing Squad.

Somewhere, Mittens is laughing his arse off!


105 posted on 11/26/2011 10:09:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson
Bust up their families? Hell no! We’re not inhumane. They can take their families with them back home to Mexico.

Bingo. Bust up... right, that's a funny one.

Let's see, people travel back and forth to Mexico visiting people.

Lot's of American citizens have relatives in Mexico and Canada and they call, send emails, VISIT.

So enforcing the law is now - according to some - inhumane. That takes the cake. Enforcing the law is inhumane.

And as you so clearly pointed out, if it is that important to all the people here legally to live with the person who's not, yes, they could certainly make the decision to all move back so they could live together 24/7.

Newt is simply tugging at the heart strings of Hispanics, who value family, which is wonderful. But he is cherry picking situations, looking at a hypothetical rarity, a whole large family that have all been granted citizenship where perhaps an elderly patriarch has not.

Truthfully, of course, it is wrong (and deceptive) to come up with such tearjerker hypothetical situations.

Anyone who steps across the border of ANY nation and plops down to reside there without lawfully pursuing citizenship assumes the responsibility for having done so - and every one of these people fully knows that. If they did this in Iran think what would happen to them.

It is the magnet of the U.S. that draws them. Apparently, the fact that parents of a child come here illegally somehow still does not prevent the child from becoming a legal citizen.

All that mostly has to be done is to stop handing out "free" citizenships, i.e., where the path one took to get here is not verified upon applying for citizenship. If the now-adult child of illegal aliens had to prove, oh, I don't know - where they came from, how they got here, who their parents where - and show an original birth certificate and let it be verified (I know, don't get us started !), then the juice to the electro-magnet would instantly turn off.

There would be no more reason to come here illegally because your children will someday be citizens, if when they applied for citizenship the illegal entry would disqualify them.

IMHO.
106 posted on 11/26/2011 10:10:08 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Sal; Lady Lucky
Right now they're mostly going to other states. There are states that would welcome them, but those states will IMO RAPIDLY turn red as they experience the violent crimes that DO happen and the crushing financial burden.

Any idea of when California will reach that tipping point?

107 posted on 11/26/2011 10:11:18 AM PST by thecodont
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To: concerned about politics
In the end, right before election day, Romney will be on top, and the Republican base will vote for him. The rest will have been taken out because of too many "flaws."

No, the rest won't be taken out because of too many 'flaws' - just those who are too far off the conservative reservation to be given serious consideration. And that includes Romney, who is by far, the very worst of the lot.

In reading your posts on this thread, you seem to be exhibiting a very high tolerance for RINO-like behavior on the part of our candidates. That says to me, that your standards are out of step with those of most mainstream conservatives, who are frankly fed up, and at the boiling point about state of our field.

You complain about "them" using our own litmus tests against us. Well, we'd better be applying a litmus test to these candidates, or we're going to wind up with a president who's no different than any other DC elitist.

If any candidate doesn't make the cut, screw 'em. Out they go. We can't afford to run another Dole, GHWB, McCain. Not this time.

108 posted on 11/26/2011 10:12:04 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Correction, Romney’s out. At least he is if you’re a conservative.

Yeah, but there's an entire, uninformed nation out there. WE may not want Romney, but what do they know about him?
He's been holding steady at around 24%. The rest, once taken out, hit rock bottom.
IF Romney is ahead in the polls on election day, the uninformed will vote for him. They'll think we all want him, because the rest are "too flawed" and the polls say he's the best.

Anyone but Romney. So, in the mean time, hold on to that Newt card. We may need it.

People can be "herded" quite easily, Jim, If they're not paying attention. Most people aren't. They won't be paying attention until about a month or so before voting day. Image if they see Romney in the lead.

We've got to chose someone now. We don't have a lot of time to "push" the candidate we want. The Washington insiders are going to push Romney on us as hard as they can.

(I'd like to know why the rest of the candidates haven't taken Romney out yet. It would be a piece of cake. He has a liberal record that could circle the globe!!!)

109 posted on 11/26/2011 10:12:17 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: org.whodat

Remember all those advisers that left Newt for Perry then left Perry to go back to Newt. lol, they are a curse! First Perry gets hammered for being soft on illegals, then Newt makes the same mistake. Unbelievable that Newt after seeing the hell Perry caught would do the exact same thing! I’d love to be a fly on the wall at Newt H.Q. Bet they are in full blown panic mode over there and they should be. Newt hurt himself badly, totally self inflicted wound, can’t blame this one on dirty tricks Romney, Newt did it all by myself.


110 posted on 11/26/2011 10:14:25 AM PST by jpsb
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To: BarnacleCenturion

In a weird way, I’m rather glad Gingrich shot himself in the foot by revealing his rotten, pathway-to-amnesty notions on this issue. Mainly because it was becoming downright nauseating, trying to gauge how much I’d have to contort my views and values in order to justify supporting him if he were the nominee. His beltway/insider/lobbyist background totally rankled my Tea Party ideals, and his history of personal-life sleaze didn’t remotely comport to my standards for character and values. Now at least, with his lousy approach to illegals, I can just close the book on him for good.


111 posted on 11/26/2011 10:15:20 AM PST by greene66
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To: goldstategop
Welcome to the Free Republic Circular Firing Squad.

Your the one falling into a trap.

The GOP Elite is hoping you will moderate your conservative positions so that you will accept Illegal Immigration and Amnesty.

The GOP Elite would be just as happy with Myth, Perry, or Newt.

Either the Tea Party stays strong on their principles, or the good ol' boys of the GOP win again and we get marginalized.
112 posted on 11/26/2011 10:15:23 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: P-Marlowe; BobL; xzins
Well, "NO PLAN" is what we have had for the last 50 years.

BINGO!

And the border can still be crossed.

The children born here of illegal immigrants are American citizens and the birth rate of Americans of Latin ancestry is higher than that of Americans of European ancestry. Demographics are destiny. It makes sense to find a solution before another 50 yrs goes by and the decision is made for our grandchildren.

113 posted on 11/26/2011 10:17:34 AM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen.

Any Republican who doesn’t get it that we can’t have economic prosperity without securing our borders, has no business running for President.

I became an American citizen the hard way. And I’m thankful for the privilege to love and serve my adopted country!

I don’t think its fair those who wait patiently to come here and then wait some more years to become American citizens to have them witness illegals cut in front of the line.

Insisting on enforcing our laws is not a sign of our inhumanity. Its a sign of our decency and our concern for the well-being of our fellow Americans and lawful permanent residents.

We must have the guts to do what is right and not what is expedient. A nation is nothing without national habits and virtue. We abandon those at our peril.

“Those who have no regard for their ancestors, neither will they esteem their posterity.” We should take Edmund Burke’s warning to heart.

God Bless America!


114 posted on 11/26/2011 10:18:08 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Unmarked Package

“Never forget that a keen mind loves the intellectual challenge of arguing an unpopular position and may drop conservative principles and ideology for the thrill of complex arguments and acceptance by peers.”

Very well stated. I remember Rush making the same comment, but I cannot remember with regard to whom or what. But I remember the gist of the comment. Essentially, it was someone like Newt - real smart guy - who had this public debate, got his head handed to him, but was happy at the outcome because the debate was the fun part - whether anything good came of it didn’t matter. Only the verbal jousting mattered, and it was a lot of fun.


115 posted on 11/26/2011 10:18:26 AM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: central_va

Hardly. The only aspect of illegal immigration worthy of concern is the part dealing with controlling our borders. It ties into both security and terrorism. And everyone is agreed that we should close the borders, so that’s not the concern folks have about “illegals”. For some folks it’s xenophobia, for others it’s hatred of Mexicans/Hispanics, and for others it’s “must follow the law”.

I sympathize with the latter group, if that’s what truly motivates them, but not with the other two.

In any case, the disposition of folks already here doesn’t bother me anything like the 60 million babies we’ve murdered since Roe v Wade or that we’re 15 trillion in debt with obligations of about 90 trillion.

What we do with some Mexicans running loose in the country taking payment under the table is simply not a big concern for me.


116 posted on 11/26/2011 10:21:32 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: central_va; P-Marlowe; wmfights; Alamo-Girl

Hardly. The only aspect of illegal immigration worthy of concern is the part dealing with controlling our borders. It ties into both security and terrorism. And everyone is agreed that we should close the borders, so that’s not the concern folks have about “illegals”. For some folks it’s xenophobia, for others it’s hatred of Mexicans/Hispanics, and for others it’s “must follow the law”.

I sympathize with the latter group, if that’s what truly motivates them, but not with the other two.

In any case, the disposition of folks already here doesn’t bother me anything like the 60 million babies we’ve murdered since Roe v Wade or that we’re 15 trillion in debt with obligations of about 90 trillion.

What we do with some Mexicans running loose in the country taking payment under the table is simply not a big concern for me.


117 posted on 11/26/2011 10:22:13 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: folkquest; Jim Robinson

“...but there has to be a way to slam the door that is our porous border and start deporting at least those foreigners who are breaking laws.”

I guess what we have trouble understanding is why do we have to LEGALIZE huge numbers of Illegals to do either or both of the above?

What are we missing here?


118 posted on 11/26/2011 10:22:31 AM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: xzins

Illegal immigration was once down pretty far on my list of priorities too, but that was before I became educated to the seriousness of the problem. It is a lawless third-world invasion against our society and our continuing freedom. We’ve made it attractive for them to come here. Jobs, business opportunities, criminal opportunities, education, healthcare, welfare, food stamps, social security, medicare, earned income tax credits, freedom, low risk if caught, etc, literally the land of milk and honey. Why wouldn’t they come? And after they (and their growing families) have lived here awhile, eventually amnesty, citizenship and the right to vote (for more big government, more welfare, more bennies). And that’s why the democrats, liberals and progressives of all stripes love them. Give enough illegal aliens the vote and we’ll never ever have another conservative elected.


119 posted on 11/26/2011 10:22:54 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
BEFORE AMNESTY < > AFTER AMNESTY
120 posted on 11/26/2011 10:25:38 AM PST by radar101
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