Posted on 11/25/2011 3:06:35 PM PST by Errant
I believe under the Patriot Act the govt can already do this. And have done. Remember the 16 year old kid that they took and held for God knows how long and would not let the Mom see him or let him have an attorney. Apparently someone hacked his phone and was sending out terror threats on it. For all I know they are still holding the kid.
If this is true then I’m not suprised to see McStain as a major player.
Pretty much except domestically where the Posse Comitatus Act is suppose to prevent the DOD from circumventing civilian law enforcement (without Congress's approval).
(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
Ashton Lundeby? Pled guilty to one count, sentenced to time served and 3 years probation.
He’s a local kid so I am very familiar with the case. It was not the way it was portrayed. He made prank calls to various schools and government agencies including the FBI. He recorded the calls and put them on the internet. In some of them his mother could be heard encouraging him and laughing in the background. Some of those calls were made for profit, someone wanted a day off from school school so they paid him to phone in a bomb threat. Many of his “pranks” used to be on youtube.
BTW, his mother claimed he as bring held under the Patriot Act, but that was not the case and retractions were issued by news agencies that reported it.
It was also reported that he was homeschooled. Not exactly the case or if sop not for long. I could not find out what happened at the private school he attended and why he was no longer attending there, but if he was homeschooling it was very short term.
PING,
Quix you were saying about rounding us up....
Things were so much better when Our Dear Leader W was running things than Their Dear Leader.
Assassinations of Citizens can't happen under our Constitutional form of Government upon which the Executive, Congressional and Judicial Branches have all sworn to uphold!
We could then hunt down and kill armed combatants who slipped in over the border, or who were otherwise notorious terrorists, or whatever.
Ron Paul and his running dog lackeys would be among the first to screech "That's not what we mean ~ we want the government to not only be able to stop the military from defending you from terrorists we don't even want you to be able to do that".
We know their type.
Regarding American citizens who engage in warfare against this country or our people, they are dead meat ~
Pinging Agenda 21 folks.
There is quite the discussion on whether or not it is true that the Senate is proposing legislation that allows the military to detain citizens without charge or trial. I thought that some of you might be interested in weighing in on this.
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“...allows the military to detain citizens”
God forbid the Alabama Highway Patrol detain illegal aliens!!!
LOL.
Well, if this passes (and provided it’s as described), all I can say is, “So long America. Nice knowing you.”
I’ve joked with people over the years I enjoy more freedom here in Europe because I can smoke in a bar and walk down the street drinking a beer without the brown paper bag.
I was born in L.A. in 1969.......left America in ‘01. Never thought I’d live to see the day that the USA ended up like this. Bodyscanners. Pat-downs. SWAT no-knock raids. Warrantless surveillance. All that’s quite illegal here in the Czech Republic. Ironic, considering this was once part of the Soviet Bloc.
bfl
This is the same bullshit story we saw when The Bent One was in office in the 1990s. The klutz who wrote this forgot to include the 50 Chinese divisions hiding in the sagebrush in Texas, the cattlecars to take us to the concentration camps waiting in Montana and the Army had invented a veg-o-matic guillotine that would chop off the heads of 10 Patriots at a time.
This garbage has as much chance of passing as that commie Alcee Hasting’s legislation to confiscate all handguns. The turd introduces this legislation every year in the house. This is no different.
Can we move onto reality now?
Maybe, but only after they've been given a fair trial. Then you can you take 'em to the nearest tree for a proper hangin'...
The above according to the Constitution - unless you can show me where it says otherwise...
Or do we now have a cabal that decides which laws of this land are to be followed and which are not?
Hope you’re right sergeant, but I saw the names “Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.)” in the article.
[fyi: Thomas puts search results on ‘temp’ pages so they can’t be linked]
Thanks for finding it. That is just wasted ink.
It occurs to me that the Dems might be trying to finesse authority to close Gitmo in this ‘required military custody’ talk. Not sure how...
I do not want to go there. In looking at D.C., and what I've learned in the past two or three years from the feds, and the 10th amendment recognition thereof by the feds, well as I said, I do not want to go there.
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