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Senate To Vote On Legislation That Allows U.S. Military to Detain Americans Without Charge or Trial
The SHTF.com ^ | 25 Nov, 2011 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 11/25/2011 3:06:35 PM PST by Errant

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SAY WHAT???
1 posted on 11/25/2011 3:06:42 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

This needs to be fact checked.


2 posted on 11/25/2011 3:10:33 PM PST by Jukeman
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To: Errant
Do not be disrespecting Dear Leader.
3 posted on 11/25/2011 3:12:15 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: Errant
What keeps most law abiding citizens honest and regulated is that this country is based on the rule of law.

Take away that, and there is nothing holding down that lid.

People start getting grabbed off their lawn by the US armed forces, per the orders of some puke in DC, and there may well be lawmakers and enforcers of same sporting third eyes.

4 posted on 11/25/2011 3:14:13 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Errant

So, we just throw Amendment IV out the window? Folks, we cannot allow this to pass.


5 posted on 11/25/2011 3:14:31 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Errant

I sure hope that this isn’t true.

The thought of it makes me sick to my stomach.


6 posted on 11/25/2011 3:15:04 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland ( Obama, President of the Democrats and Joe Biden, VP are the top morons of the DNC.)
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To: Errant

we have that power now....just a little different wording...


7 posted on 11/25/2011 3:15:32 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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I'm not sure this passes the smell test. According to the article: In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.” Now how is it that the bad guys are Republicans?

Just asking

8 posted on 11/25/2011 3:17:05 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: Jukeman
Yep, that's why I thought it needed to be posted on FR. Freepers WIll get to the bottom of it.

Check out the link to the Daily Sheepe @ the ACLU site. I'm not sure why the Senate even needs to be even voting on a Udall Amendment?

9 posted on 11/25/2011 3:18:28 PM PST by Errant
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Never trusted Graham. IMO, the libbs have his FBI file or something and Mccain is McNutty...


10 posted on 11/25/2011 3:23:13 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

I was bemused a few months ago to contemplate (right here on FR) fellows who said they were Marines, boasting of how they roughed up a civilian who was wearing a Marines T-shirt (not a piece of genuine or imitation official military garb) for a purpose not to their liking. They argued that they were the law with respect to such matters.

Isn’t this a trivial extension of the same thing, in fact is such a law even needed on the books?


11 posted on 11/25/2011 3:24:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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in fact is such a law even needed on the books?

Not at all if you ask me. The only law/act that seems to need to be strengthened is the Posse Comitatus Act

12 posted on 11/25/2011 3:27:37 PM PST by Errant
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saps1867s_20111117.pdf

“Section 1031 attempts to expressly codify the detention authority that exists under the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) (the “AUMF”). The authorities granted by the AUMF, including the detention authority, are essential to our ability to protect the American people from the threat posed by al-Qa’ida and its associated forces, and have enabled us to confront the full range of threats this country faces from those organizations and individuals. Because the authorities codified in this section already exist, the Administration does not believe codification is necessary and poses some risk...”

OMG I agree with Obama about something!


13 posted on 11/25/2011 3:29:42 PM PST by mrsmith
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“Check out the link to the Daily Sheepe @ the ACLU site. I’m not sure why the Senate even needs to be even voting on a Udall Amendment?”

I sound like the whole darn bill need to be 86ed.


14 posted on 11/25/2011 3:29:42 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Errant

Well, I meant aren’t the US armed forces, headed by the US President as Commander in Chief, already understood under the present legal system to have all authority over anything that might touch on a military purpose?

Or were those guys just woofing about a wildcat action and actually being a disgrace to the Marines?


15 posted on 11/25/2011 3:31:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: steveab
I sound like the whole darn bill need to be 86ed.

Exactly!

16 posted on 11/25/2011 3:31:30 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

SHTG doesn’t cite any passages from the bill.


17 posted on 11/25/2011 3:31:53 PM PST by FreeReign
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Posse Comitatus
18 posted on 11/25/2011 3:33:26 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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“...The Administration strongly objects to the military custody provision of section 1032, which would appear to mandate military custody for a certain class of terrorism suspects. This unnecessary, untested, and legally controversial restriction of the President’s authority to defend the Nation from terrorist threats would tie the hands of our intelligence and law enforcement professionals. Moreover, applying this military custody requirement to individuals inside the United States, as some Members of Congress have suggested is their intention, would raise serious and unsettled legal questions and would be inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets”

Probably more to the point. Amazing to read something sensible from those bumbling fools!


19 posted on 11/25/2011 3:33:36 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith

Things are Messed Up!


20 posted on 11/25/2011 3:33:43 PM PST by Errant
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