Posted on 11/25/2011 8:23:04 AM PST by TitansAFC
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...."But "there is no path to citizenship in my Tuesday night comment on immigration," Gingrich told Newsmax. "There is a path to non-deportation for certified, very long-term community members but they would not have the right to vote."
The goal of his plan, Gingrich said, is to gain control of the border in 12 months while ensuring that English is the official language of the U.S. government. He wants even faster rules for the deportation of criminals and a guest worker program "outsourced to American Express, Visa or MasterCard to minimize fraud..."
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
Georgia’s New Immigration Law causes short term pain but will result in long term gain
So Visa, etc. would do these scans. OK. I thought he was insinuating fraud to American Exp, Visa. I get it - fraud from federal employees. Makes sense - that’s quality control. Thanks.
I have a lot of problem with the FDA limiting treatment options only to therapies that ring the cash registers of the government/corporate medical complex.
Burzynski: Cancer Is Serious Business
But, unlike you, I believe in freedom, especially freedom from government corruption.
Yes, sometimes expressed as Privatize the profit, socialize the cost.
I understand what you're saying here, and part of me is in agreement with you.
But wait a minute. If they "owe their allegiance to Mexico or wherever they come from," as you put it, why are they here? I mean, if they really have any deep-routed allegiance to Mexico, or Honduras, or Guatamala, or Panama, or Nicaragua, why didn't they stay there and struggle to make a life for themselves?
If you ever decide that the United States has just gotten too screwed up to survive in, and decide to go to... I don't know... to New Zealand, for instance, can you really argue "well, even though I came here to live, my heart's really back in America" ?
I wonder if they really feel a part of any country, or culture. I don't know the answer to this.
The reason I say this is not just to be argumentative with you. And, as I say, I feel pretty much the same as you do, at an emotional level at least.
But maybe there's a way to a future for all of us, in this. After all, people have been coming to the America for hundreds of years, feeling homesick but making a life they're happy with, here. Over time, they come to have affection for America.
The problem is the welfare-payment system. The difference today is that these people are allowed to come here, and stay here, and enjoy finanical benefits taken from citizen taxpayers here, for reasons that benefit politicians. This is a bad outcome the Founders didn't anticipate.
Speaking of fraud - that is a fraudulent argument.
The whole idea of selective deportation as opposed to blanked deportation is to decipher the difference between those who are a burden to the taxpayer and those who are not.
How many times does Newt, Cain, or Perry have to point out that the people who would get to stay would have to have the precondition of being employed and paying taxes? He said so right during the debate during this whole conversation.
P.S. Now it’s not “RINO,” it’s “traitor,” eh? ok...........
Please note : sometime in the past "Operation Wetback" was mistakenly quoted as deporting 13 million illegals. The true number was 1.3 million. The "wrong number" is the one quoted by the open borders crowd. It was either a typo or a deliberate "mistake," to subsequently claim that proponents of repatriation are "dishonest," in addition to "heartless."
Don't fall for it.
Come on now. Of course I believe in Jobs' right to choose for himself what treatment path to pursue. I never said otherwise, although I can understand why you might have inferred that from my wording.
I don't have any problem with anyone choosing how to handle a situation. That's the essense of freedom.
My lament was simply, on a personal level, that his choice took him away from me, and from all of us, much earlier than might have been the case.
I've had cancer. I had surgery for it in January 2006, and I've (so far) survived. I was fortunate to have a great medical team, and am alive today because of them.
I consider myself an intelligent and fairly well-educated person, but I followed their advice, and still have my life to show for it.
Newt flunks.
Excellent!!
How about saying that you are going to seal the border and enforce the immigration laws already on the books? Hows about no work, no money, no medical.
Part of homework should include Newt's past actual record on this issue. Are you aware that when E-verify was passed back in the '90s, Newt worked against it (including an amendment that would have made it toothless)?
Newt lost in his attempt to keep E-verify from passing, but he took care of that by putting up another bill afterward to make E-verify NON-MANDATORY.
IOW anybody who wants to hire illegals can and have been doing so since the '90s. Imagine how many fewer illegals we would have now if E-verify had been in effect AND MANDATORY since the '90s.
Except for this, I have loved watching and listening to Newt in the debates, but because of his track record I always thought, "If only we could trust him".
I don't. I will however vote for him if he makes it to the nomination, though I think it's less likely now.
It doesn't matter that they call for such conditions (and I challenge you to cite a reference where they specifically mention ONLY the employed and productive get to stay).
Such conditions are not enforceable.
This is IN FACT Amnesty for Illegals.
If you support that, that's your business. If you want to advocate for that, again, your business.
But for Newt, the media or anyone else to claim it is not amnesty is, in fact, fraudulent. And traitorous.
“There are no easy answers’ but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.”-Ronald Reagan
(and morally right doesn’t include another SHamnesty scheme)
self-deportation has worked in states that have passed stringent laws (where allowed by our omnipotent federal gubmint)
If we want good relations with Mexico (which may come in handy one day), we ought to make the deportation selective and orderly. It’s easier to defend than a wholesale mass deportation, where there would be riots and sob stories and lots of backing down over individual cases. They’d be calling it a Trail of Tears.
Also, if the states are permitted to pass laws like Alabama’s, that would help discourage illegals from staying.
Unlike most of the other candidates, Gingrich has offered a plan rather than a cattle-drive holler.
And speaking of cattle driving, he’s the most qualified to get the cooperation of Congress which must enact any plan into law.
I am all for deportation....but I cannot see the majority would let that stand. So therefore what’s the next best thing?
I would support many of what others here have mentioned in “cleaning House” but there’s just not a chance ANY politician is going to go that direction...they just arent’t.
Off topic, but what keeps the politicos from jacking up the rates to 50% now?
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