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EEG finds consciousness in people in vegetative state
New Scientist ^ | 11/10/11 | Chelsea Whyte

Posted on 11/11/2011 4:34:27 PM PST by wagglebee

Signs of consciousness have been detected in three people previously thought to be in a vegetative state, with the help of a cheap, portable device that can be used at the bedside.

"There's a man here who technically meets all the internationally agreed criteria for being in a vegetative state, yet he can generate 200 responses [to direct commands] with his brain," says Adrian Owen of the University of Western Ontario. "Clearly this guy is not in a true vegetative state. He's probably as conscious as you or I are."

In 2005, Owen's team, used functional MRI to show consciousness in a person who was in a persistent vegetative state, also known as wakeful unconsciousness – where the body still functions but the mind is unresponsive – for the first time. However, fMRI is costly and time-consuming, so his team set about searching for simple and cost-effective solutions for making bedside diagnoses of PVS. Now, they have devised a test that uses the relatively inexpensive and widely available electroencephalogram (EEG).

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KEYWORDS: euthanasia; faithandphilosophy; moralabsolutes; prolife
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Yet the culture of death still insists on killing people with brain injuries.
1 posted on 11/11/2011 4:34:29 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 11/11/2011 4:35:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 11/11/2011 4:36:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 11/11/2011 4:37:33 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Like duuuuuh! Take that death panel and Greer (not that Terri was ever).


5 posted on 11/11/2011 4:43:27 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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Consciousness can exist simultaneously on many different levels. A complicated issue.


6 posted on 11/11/2011 4:52:50 PM PST by oldsicilian
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We have a long history of people waking unexpectedly from these "vegetative states," and relating things they heard while "unconscious." I'm glad some one has generated empirical data to back up the clinical experiences.
7 posted on 11/11/2011 5:00:29 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Well then make sure to unplug me and put a pillow over my face. No thanks. I don't want to stare at a ceiling for the rest of my "life" in some sorta quasi-aware state. Make sure your wishes are spelled out people. Tattoo it on your chest, to be sure.
8 posted on 11/11/2011 5:09:05 PM PST by Osamabindead
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Consciousness while in a vegitative state?

They must be doing their research at Zucotti Park, and other OWS venues.

9 posted on 11/11/2011 5:12:45 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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Well then make sure to unplug me and put a pillow over my face. No thanks. I don't want to stare at a ceiling for the rest of my "life" in some sorta quasi-aware state. Make sure your wishes are spelled out people. Tattoo it on your chest, to be sure.

I realize that you just joined here three weeks ago, so perhaps you didn't realize that Free Republic is a PRO-LIFE forum.

Take your pro-euthanasia crap elsewhere.

10 posted on 11/11/2011 5:26:58 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I was speaking for myself.. I’m pro-life as the next Freeper. I’m speaking for myself, once again, myself—me,personally, I can think of nothing more that I don’t want is to be a vegetable, except maybe being lit on fire during a semi-vegetative state. You can be all you like, and I applaud it. I am speaking for myself.


11 posted on 11/11/2011 5:34:51 PM PST by Osamabindead
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I was speaking for myself..

Deathbots usually say that.

I’m pro-life as the next Freeper.

No, people who are pro-life understand the meaning of the word UNALIENABLE.

12 posted on 11/11/2011 5:38:18 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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“I realize that you just joined here three weeks ago, so perhaps you didn’t realize that Free Republic is a PRO-LIFE forum.

Take your pro-euthanasia crap elsewhere.”

I am pro-life, been on Free Republic for a while and basically agree with Osamabindead, or at least find his personal choice...HIS CHOICE. Take your BS attitude and hit the road yourself if you don’t like it bagglebee. What a rude piece of crap!


13 posted on 11/11/2011 5:42:52 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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Let me be a little more clear. If someone is in a vegetative state, keep them alive at all costs. No one knows their wishes or whatnot. Err on the side of caution. I, however, want my intentions known. If I am hopelessly lost, let me go. These are MY personal wishes. No one is to violate MY personal wishes. No one is on a high enough horse to go over MY head for MY wishes. Keep grandma alive until the end of time. None of my business and maybe those are her wishes, and err on the side of caution. Me, MYSELF and I have no desire to “live” like that. Let me get on to Heaven, if that’s where the lord would receive me. Sorry, these are MY mortal wishes for ME. You think you can choose what’s best for me, over my own authority? Pretty arrogant


14 posted on 11/11/2011 5:47:50 PM PST by Osamabindead
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So, you also don't believe that unalienable rights are actually unalienable?

Unalienable

incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another; "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights"

Either you believe our God-given rights can be repudiated or you believe they are unalienable, they CANNOT be both.

15 posted on 11/11/2011 5:51:11 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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So, you don’t believe in unalienable rights?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2806262/posts?page=15#15


16 posted on 11/11/2011 5:52:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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You're sorta making my point. Rights are waivable, by the interested party--me *do not resuscitate* rights are rights, not commandment. You have the right to free speech you are not commanded to free speech or commanded to remain silent under arrest. For a pro-choicer, you sure wanna take mine away.
17 posted on 11/11/2011 5:57:25 PM PST by Osamabindead
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d’oh the last part was supposed to be “for a pro-lifer” you seem to wanna take my rights away. Gah! it’s Friday, the end to a looooong week. cut me some slack


18 posted on 11/11/2011 6:00:28 PM PST by Osamabindead
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You're sorta making my point. Rights are waivable, by the interested party

No, unalienable means they CANNOT be waived:

incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another;

You have the right to free speech you are not commanded to free speech or commanded to remain silent under arrest.

Remaining silent DOES NOT extinguish the right to free speech.

19 posted on 11/11/2011 6:01:05 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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*do not resuscitate* rights are rights

Your original contention had NOTHING to do with a DNR, you spoke of putting a pillow over someone's face.

20 posted on 11/11/2011 6:03:41 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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