Ohio voters reject restrictions on collective bargaining, AP projects

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[Perdogg]

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[Fledermaus]

Ohio is done. It’s been a basket case for decades.

[Verginius Rufus]

How many Congressional seats is Ohio losing as a result of the 2010 census? They have 18 now...down from 23 in the 1970s. I haven't seen the official figures for the 2010 census but the estimate as of 2009 was that Ohio grew by 1.7% when the US as a whole was growing by 9.1%. The vote today may force many more people to leave the state in search of work.

Just idle curiosity on my part, as I am not a resident of the state.

[keats5]

I have lots of friends who voted yes on issue 2, but they are from my rather conservative church. Several of them voted for issue 2 even if they were in unions due to their overriding personal beliefs.

However, just in my own family, my grandfather and dad were steelworkers and I’ve been in and out of unions during various jobs. My sister, 2 sister-in-laws, 2 nieces and nephew are directly affected by this issue. I think that’s pretty typical for Ohioans.

They all yell and scream about the greedy capitalists but vote against 2 because they get more money.

[RockinRight]

Whenever someone rants about "greed" I remind them that everyone is greedy, including them.

As far as the other thing...these people who trash businesses left and right, then wonder why they can't find a job remind me a lot of angry single men, who complain about women all day, then wonder why they're always alone on Friday nights.

[death2tyrants]

LOL!

[DestroyLiberalism]

GeronL wrote:

“I hear that 95%+ of the ads were leftist. And that “our side” didn’t start airing them until recently.

That is no way to run a campaign.”

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The Unionistas dumped a whopping $30 MILLION into this campaign! The way I look at it is these thugs will have $30 million less to spend in 2012 when the extremely crucial presidential and congressional elections take place and by that time the Ohio legislature will have likely passed another round of laws limiting collective bargaining anyway!

[DestroyLiberalism]

xzins wrote:

“Obamacare got routed in Ohio!

That is the proof that the union bill was not about Obama or supporting Obama.

Kasich was terribly served by the Ohio Legislature that loaded that legislation up with all kinds of junk. Honest to goodness, they tried to spell out HOW evaluations would be done on workers. It was silly. It got so much into the weeds that it even had students evaluating teachers. Honest to goodness. (”student satisfaction, which may be measured by surveys,questionnaires, or other forms of soliciting feedback”)

Sen Tom Niehaus, a wheeler-dealer, helped construct a bill that would never pass.

Had this been a clean bill just about collective bargaining over pay and pensions this would have passed by a landslide.

The media is going to present this as some kind of triumph for Obama. The truth will be that Ohioans looked at this over-reaching bill and rejected because it was a monstrosity.”

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This is perhaps the best post I’ve read all night and I believe it hits the nail on the head. I had a thoughtful discussion on the phone with my mother last night who is a very hard-working Ohio public high school teacher. She is also a very staunch conservative who finds herself frequently at odds politically with her die-hard liberal colleagues because she values things like state solvency over teacher and union special interests.

However, she did express to me that she was very displeased with the numerous additional state requirements clogging up the measure, including taking 180 continuing education credits every five years, which would be very expensive and burdensome, and being subjected to excessive state-drafted “one-size-fits-all” standardized tests and evaluations. My mother was undecided about the measure and only in the final hours grudgingly decided to vote “yes”.

I agree that if Kasich and the Ohio Legislature go back to the drawing board and pass a clean bill to limit collective bargaining over pay, pensions, and benefits, it would have a much better chance of withstanding a voter referendum.

[nutmeg]

Obama won here pretty easily in 2008, but he is very unpopular in the state, and I believe he will have a tough time winning here again. Despite tonight's union victory, the Democrat party has serious challenges in organization, and every statewide office is held by a Republican, as are both of the houses of the General Assembly. 2010 was the worst election for Ohio Democrats since the Coolidge Administration, and redistricting means they will have more on their plate in handling contested House seats in 2012.

Sounds great. We will all definitely be keeping an eye on Ohio on the run-up to the 2012 elections...

[Bigg Red]

Brownshirts, indeed, will be emboldened. I hope Walker has stocked up on the Lysol to clean out the capitol building after the pigs camp out there again.

[bigcat32]

The local paper, The Cleveland Plain Dealer, is spinning the issue 2 defeat as a victory for Barack Hussein Obama. This cannot be further from the truth. Locally I heard literally hundreds of ads against issue 2 and two for issue 2. The ads against issue 2 always had a police officer or fireman begging to vote NO or else your neighborhood would be taken over by hoodlums with no police protection.

I'd be willing to bet that at least 50% of Ohio voters were completely clueless or confused by issue 2. It had absolutely nothing to do with Obama, Democrats or Unions. Voters were scared by the ads with policemen saying their safety was at risk with a yes vote. There was ZERO effort to back the YES vote through media advertisement....ZERO.

[mewzilla]

Note to folks in Ohio: If you would like to see a preview of coming attractions, I cordially invite you to visit NYS. We’re bleeding people, jobs, red ink, and House seats. In spite of all this, the state hired over 50,000 people during a recent hiring freeze. All this is going on only a couple of states away, yet the majority of you still vote to screw yourselves silly. Sigh.

[LS]

First, I’ll do a column on this today, but stop blaming Ohio “conservatives.” This was not well sold-—should have had a massive PR campaign from the get go. Second, so what if they go back to WI? Good! These campaigns are costing the unions a fortune and I think this is precisely the way to break them. See my column later.

[agrace]

Or they believed that firefighters and teachers would lose jobs and no safety would entail and all puppies and kittens would be killed?

Yep. The ads for issue 2 here in Ohio were numerous, ominous and devoid of any real information, just what the general populace needed to make an emotion-based decision on something most know nothing about.

At least we said no to Obamacare.

[warsaw44]

350,000 unionized public employees.

Unreal. Cya Ohio.

[wmfights]

Had this been a clean bill just about collective bargaining over pay and pensions this would have passed by a landslide.

Thanks for giving me something positive out of this. From where I'm sitting it looks like a majority of the people in OH want big daddy govt to guarantee them a good life at someone else's expense. Everyone talks fiscal reform and personal responsibility until they have take control of their own lives.

[Qbert]

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[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

Someone told me this morning that their spouse that is a teacher in Ohio would have lost 13K a year if the bill went the other way yesterday.And all teachers in Ohio must have their masters degree and start at 17K a year????

Another outside question is why can’t all government to the POTUS (most especially senate and congresscritters) all take pay and benefit cuts.I don’t get the complex idea of a GM worker getting 45 an hour 100% bennies to the max and it is all tax payer funded?I don’t understand the entire cluster but DC needs to downsize and CUT PAY AND BENNIES.POTUS getting 400K a year and Bank CEO’s millions matches the COLA but the rest of America doesn’t

[Indy Pendance]

This is why the dems planned for a Nov 15th start of the recall. They need the union goons here. I’m so sick of this. We really have to solidify our majority in these recalls. Time to deploy, again. My soldier son-in-law has deployed 5 times to Iraq and Afghanistan. We MUST do our civilian duty.

[Indy Pendance]

I know Kasich and Walker talk, but what was different here in WI was the gov didn't include police or firefighters. Perhaps it was too big. Now, Kasich should break it down into small parts. Start with the teachers union. The numbers are coming in. So far, we've saved something like 700 million AFTER getting rid of the 3.6 billion dollar debt. Good luck to you guys.

I heard the Ohio talkers were for this issue 2. Is that correct? If so, you guys need to set them straight. Seriously, research WI and send the legislature and Gov and the talkers stories of our successes.

This web site will get you started: How Wisconsin’s School Districts are Saving Money as a Result of 2011’s Act 10 Legislation

[Indy Pendance]

See my post 139, this summary of Wisconsin is excellent. Perhaps you can send it on to those in Ohio who know.