Posted on 11/04/2011 4:28:40 AM PDT by surroundedbyblue
PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — Chris Barnes, 11, is getting his latest round of vaccinations for measles and tetanus.
“It doesn’t really scare me as much as other people, it’s just a shot,” he said.
Without regular immunizations, Chris would be turned away at his pediatrician’s office.
Dr. Wayne Yankus refuses to see patients unless they follow the government recommended immunization schedule.
(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburgh.cbslocal.com ...
I haven’t found anything about when it was discontinued, so if you can find it, please link it for me. Thanks.
In one of my posts, I gave you a link that strongly indicates 65 was used on people. When was 65 discontinued?
Do you have a link with conclusive proof it wasn;t used on people?
Do you have a link with conclusive proof it wasn;t used on people?
Funny, in you original post on this subject you were sure peanut oil was used in children's vaccines (with proof, just Google it!). Now you need help.
As I already stated, A65 was used in a study on an influnenza vaccine in the late 60s and early 70s. It was rejected. That is the only time I'm aware of that it was used on humans. Although, as I also stated previously, it is in used (or at least was at one time) in animal vaccines.
And what was Chris' chances of dying from measles before the measles vaccine was introduced?
Most boys had mumps and it was a rare infertile man with mumps.
Rubella was a danger to unborn babies in the first trimester iirc. What will rubella be like if the herd does not have natural immunity.
Measles, was a disease that was mostly lethal to children who were sickly of other significant diseases, now we are eliminating natural immunity.
My kids had chickenpox. All kids should have chickenpox.
... Mice were sensitized by administration of peanut proteins in the presence of cholera toxin as adjuvant.
Oils are not proteins. They are completely different kinds of molecule. Therefore, challenge with peanut proteins is not the same as exposure to peanut oil. This is, in fact, a completely different experiment, and does not address the use of peanut oil at all.
Even if peanut oil is, in fact, used as an adjuvant in human vaccines, that doesn't mean that ANY allergen is present. I would expect the protein concentration to be quite low or even undetectable in a pharmaceutical grade of peanut oil.
I think the attraction to raw milk is, like the attraction to many unscientific alternative approaches to health maintenance and health care, deeply rooted in psychology. As scientists, we don't have all the answers, nor do we make that claim. While we share what we know with people, what we know just isn't enough to satisfy people who, fundamentally, are terrified of death and disease, and crave more certainty than we can give them. Charlatans, on the other hand, are happy to tell people that they have definitive answers, and some people react very strongly to that reassurance.
Do you ever go to the American Society of Microbiology meetings? Those are always quite a sobering experience for me. It's frightening to realize that in this day and age, we're still in a neck-and-neck race against deadly infectious disease, and sometimes, the disease gets the upper hand.
And what was Chris' chances of dying from measles before the measles vaccine was introduced?
FYI, I wasn’t the one who posted that comment, but thank you for playing.
FWI, here is your consolation prize:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/
If you don’t like that source there are others.
Measles is for some, a harmless but still very painful and uncomfortable childhood disease. I had measles as a kid. It resulted in a week in bed and I was as sick as I ever can remember being, save for the “Russian Flu” that I got as a teenager in 1979, a variant of H1N1 virus BTW. I recovered but for a time thought I might actually die as I was that very sick. I missed two weeks of school and lost more than 20 pounds and the coughing didn’t stop for months and I didn’t get my appetite back for nearly two months after getting sick and I was young, very fit and healthy at the time. I fully understand why and how the 1918 flu killed so many.
But for many others, measles is a very real killer. Pregnant women, even among those who have had the vaccination, if exposed during pregnancy, their unborn child can suffer horrible birth defects or die uterus due to the exposure. Sad given it’s very preventable given the widely available and inexpensive vaccination that could prevent people from exposing pregnant women in the first place.
Not asking for help, asking for proof of your claims.
It’s apparent you didn’t read this article:
Peanut oil used in children’s vaccine.
Just yesterday, I read about a little girl who almost died of a normally preventable illness because she doesn’t respond to vaccines. That little girl’s life depends on herd immunity (where others are vaccinated, decreasing her chances of encountering a contagious person)..
Unfortunately, you understand nothing about how vaccinations work. "Herd immunity" is a joke. A vaccination protects only the person vaccinated. Period.
Being vaccinated does not prevent you from carrying and/or spreading a virus. It does not create some super secret aura that the virus cannot penetrate.
And my cousin got encephalitis during the measles and has had his entire life screwed up. There are all sorts of jobs he cannot get because of the seizures he is subject to as a result.
So now we've jumped from A65 back to simple peanut oil? Do you even know what you are talking about or are you just Googling anything you can find?
The "article" has a statement from Harold E. Buttram, a professional "expert witness" for the anti-vax groups. It is a statement with no proof.
It is interesting that you find an unsourced statement from an anti-vax site without any corroboration and that is enough proof for you.
Nice.
Secondly, your non link does not even address the question which was what were the death rates for measles in the USA prior to vaccination. Chris lives in the USA, not Uganda.
And finally your anecdotal evidence is proof of nothing except perhaps that you had a poor immune system or health as a child and a condescending one as an adult.
Something like this would be more useful:
Of course death rates are not determinative of whether one should be vaccinated or not are they?
And on what do you base your proclamation, Dr.?
Let me explain to you how this works:
Example 1: An unvaccinated child contracts pertussis. The child comes into contact with 19 other children, all of whom have been vaccinated. The child is very sick, recovers, but no other child contracts the disease.
Example 2: An unvaccinated child contracts pertussis. The child comes into contact with 19 other children, none of whom have been vaccinated. 5 of the other 19 children contract the disease, and pass it on to 5 children each, and so on...an epidemic is started.
Get it now?
Actually, that graph only tracks the advances in medical care over the decades. If you want to show a graph that means something, show a graph of infection rates. That's the true measurement of a vaccines efficacy.
Don't get you hopes up.
(How ya been?!)
Thanks I had no idea death rates and disease incidence were distinct data points.
It contains peanut oil.
The "article" has a statement from Harold E. Buttram, a professional "expert witness" for the anti-vax groups. It is a statement with no proof.
Dr. Buttress is accepted by the court as an expert, so his testimony is evidence, and it is proof. Your problem with it seems to be that he's an anti-vaccine person. Therefore, you will never accept any of his research or evidence.
It is interesting that you find an unsourced statement from an anti-vax site without any corroboration and that is enough proof for you.
It is more interesting that you provide no cites whatsoever for your opinions.
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