Anne Frank, a Mormon?

New York Times ^ | Oct. 18, 2011 | Maureen Dowd

[Colofornian]

At an appearance at George Washington University...Bill Maher bounded into territory that the news media have been gingerly tiptoeing around.

Magic underwear. Baptizing dead people. Celestial marriages. Private planets. Racism. Polygamy.

“By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion”...“It’s...founded on the idea of polygamy. They call it The Principle. That sounds like The Prime Directive in ‘Star Trek.’ ”

He said he expects the Romney crowd...to once more “gloss over the differences between Christians and Mormons.”

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Another famous nonbeliever, Christopher Hitchens, wrote in Slate...about “the weird and sinister belief system of the LDS”...

Aside from Joseph Smith, whom Hitchens calls “a fraud and conjurer well known to the authorities in upstate New York,” the writer also wonders about the Mormon practice of amassing archives of the dead...to “retrospectively ‘baptize’ everybody as a convert.”

Hitchens noted that they “got hold of a list of those put to death by the Nazis’ Final Solution” and “began making these massacred Jews into honorary LDS members as well.” He called it “a crass attempt at mass identity theft from the deceased.”

The Mormons even baptized Anne Frank.

It took Ernest Michel, then chairman of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, three years to get Mormons to agree to stop proxy-baptizing Holocaust victims.

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Kent Jackson, the associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, says that while Mormons are Christians, “Mormonism is not part of the Christian family tree.”

It probably won’t comfort skeptical evangelicals and Catholics to know that Mormons think that while other Christians merely “have a portion of the truth, what God revealed to Joseph Smith is the fullness of the truth,” as Jackson says...

[Colofornian]

...being Mormon didn’t interfere with him being governor...

If you don't know the difference 'tween the temptation for SLC hierarchists to "have their say" upon the world via D.C. vs. the smallish Bay state via Boston, then I can't help you.

[Politics4US]

“You see, Romney’s “highest” aspiration isn’t the White House. It’s the White Throne as a fellow god.”

You don’t know how religious he is, and you could say that a Christian president may have an interpretation of the Bible that isn’t right when hhat our children would learn that it’s

“OK” for the nation to appeal to the Mormon god as led by a Mormon in the White House...somebody who worships a low totem-pole god in the overall ranks of the gods... e’s president.”

You wouldn’t know, because prayer is private. President’s don’t tell us about what they’re praying.

[Politics4US]

...being Mormon didn’t interfere with him being governor...

“If you don’t know the difference ‘tween the temptation for SLC hierarchists to “have their say” upon the world via D.C. vs. the smallish Bay state via Boston, then I can’t help you.”

Bad decision he made when he was governor had nothing to do with being a Mormon.

[svcw]

To the headline: That is the DUMBEST thing I have ever read.

[svcw]

Show me one example of hate towards mornons on FR - just one.

[Colofornian]

Glenn Beck, on his radio show today, came out really strong against Maureen Dowd and this specific hit piece. He talked about his Mormon faith for some time...

Yeah, Beck said "we must stand together, and stop the bigotry, and hatred on anyone’s religion." IOW...don't be intolerant of others' religion. But was Beck "tolerant" of Jeffress? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! (Beck the bigot said: "Rather than just use the hateful subtly of Pastor Robert Jeffries, however, the NYT’s Maureen Dowd unleashed one of the most hateful, bigoted, and offensive anti-religious pieces of trash ever published." Source: http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/10/20/nyt-runs-one-of-the-most-bigoted-anti-religon-articles-ever/)

"Hateful?" What Jeffress said was "hateful?"

If that's the case, then Beck calling Jeffress "hateful" was not only intolerant and bigoted over others' religious views who disagree with him, but "hateful" was well.

It's usually people who cry the loudest on "tolerance" who are the most intolerant of others' religious worldviews. How liberal of Beck to use such a liberal tactic.

[Colofornian]

You don’t know how religious he is...

Oh sure. He only gets a temple recommend that is only earned by about 20% of Mormons. And he "only" served as a Mormon Missionary, Missionary Zone Leader, assistant to Mission President, bishop and Stake President. No, "nothing" there "religious," is there?

[Politics4US]

You still don’t know what his beliefs are, and how much he prays. You are a bigot. And what you are calling for is unconstitutional.

[P-Marlowe]

It is a sin to weaken another man's faith

Yeah, Right.

The people in Jonestown had a pretty strong faith. I suppose it would have been a sin to try to weaken their faith a little, eh?

The 9/11 Al Queda Terrorists had faith.

Sometimes I'm shocked by some of the idiocy I read on this forum.

[Ripliancum]

Fortunately, Beck has a much bigger audience than all of you here, and he thoroughly took Maureen Dowd to task for this article and actually talked about his faith more than I’ve ever heard him do on air before.

[MHGinTN]

"And what you are calling for is unconstitutional." Oh really? And what is Colofornian calling for?

You Momrons are not going to intimidate folks into ignoring Milt Rominy's weird religious beliefs and status as a high priest in same with this idiotic mischaracterization whine. I have yet to see anyone 'calling for' a religion test for candidates written into law. As an individual, if I want to reject Milt Rominy (it rhymes with hominy, the huskless corn product) because I consider him unfit due to holding such high position in a strange religious sect yet repudiating that position and oaths of same, well, you aren't going to stop me, unless that's WHAT YOU'RE CALLING FOR.

[MHGinTN]

You know so little about Mormonism, I’m surprised that you would be this bold in defending Milt for his ‘lack of Mormonism’. He is a High Priest in Mormonism, and has taken the oaths of Priesthood offcie at least twice. Do you know what the oaths say? Do you know what it takes to be a ‘Temple worthy’ Mormon like Harry Reid and Milt Rominy? Are you familiar with ow Mormonism began and the religion being rife with duplicitous claims starting with the several supposed authorized accounts of Joseph Smith’s founding vision in a grove of mushrooms, er, I mean trees?

[Politics4US]

I am not a Mormon. You are a bigot. You are calling for something that is unconstitutional. You can reject him, but his beliefs are constitutional.

[Politics4US]

“He is a High Priest in Mormonism, and has taken the oaths of Priesthood offcie at least twice. Do you know what the oaths say? Do you know what it takes to be a ‘Temple worthy’ Mormon like Harry Reid and Milt Rominy? Are you familiar with ow Mormonism began and the religion being rife with duplicitous claims starting with the several supposed authorized accounts of Joseph Smith’s founding vision in a grove of mushrooms, er, I mean trees?”

He was a governor of Mass. and his decisions were not affected by Mormonism, and he was no different than other office holders. You are a bigot against Mormons, so you are misleading people into thinking it is dangerous to have a Mormon elected.

[Elsie]

Don’t attack Mormons.

Why not?

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses  5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses  8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses  10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

Don’t attack Mormons.

Why not?

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[MHGinTN]

Um, perhaps you are smart enough to articulate just what it is I’m calling for? ... Or perhaps not. You poor thing ...

[Elsie]

Don’t attack Mormons.

Why not?

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[Elsie]

Don’t attack Mormons.

That's ok Ma'am; we can watch out for ourselves.

[Elsie]

That's ok Ma'am; we can watch out for ourselves.

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Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."