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Cain Proposes Electrified Border Fence
Pravda- NY Times Division ^ | 10/15/11 | Wyatt

Posted on 10/15/2011 4:18:53 PM PDT by VinL

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Saturday that part of his immigration policy would be to build an electrified fence on the country’s border with Mexico that could kill people trying to enter the country illegally...

Mr. Cain added that he also would consider using military troops “with real guns and real bullets” on the border to stop illegal immigration.

The remarks were among the most pointed yet by Mr. Cain about illegal immigration, and they come as he is enjoying a surge in national political polls on the back of his victory in a recent Florida straw poll..

It is not the first time that Mr. Cain has floated the idea of an electrified fence. He has told the story many times of a caller to his former radio show who chastised him for talking about building a border fence, saying that such an idea was impractical.

“It’s going to be 20 feet high. It’s going to have barbed wire on the top. It’s going to be electrified. And there’s going to be a sign on the other side saying, ‘It will kill you — Warning.’” At an earlier rally, on the campus of Tennessee Tech University in Cookeville, Tenn., he added that the sign would be written “in English and in Spanish.”

“This nation has always been a nation with wide open doors,” Mr. Cain said at the second rally. “We want to make it easy for people to come through the front door. And we’re going to shut off the back door so you don’t have to sneak into America.”

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; US: New York
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To: workerbee
Okay, how this would be done (logistically and politically) I have no idea

Well, here is a plan. Arrest all illegals that are currently in the country. Convict them to 6 months of labor on the fence construction. The border is about 2,000 miles long. If your dragnet catches only 1 million illegals then you can have 500 workers per mile, or one worker every four yards - for 6 months. Tell the workers that they are free to go (to Mexico :-) once the fence is built and accepted. I'm sure they will be done within a week.

The fence will have watch towers, two per mile. The towers will be bulletproof, air-conditioned, and manned 24/7 by snipers. The fence will also have various sensors to notify the guards. The task of those guards will be to discourage crossers. The fence will be built entirely on the US territory, set back about 300 yards of "no man's land." Anyone in that zone will be fair game - so they can't bring the equipment and set up camp on Mexico's side while they are preparing the crossing. If a large, armed group is attempting to cross using armored vehicles or shoots back then the guards will call air support. Some of that can be delivered using missiles; as long as the missiles are accurately guided - to, say, a couple of yards - this will keep the invaders busy until the helicopters show up.

None of that is rocket science. USSR maintained even a tighter border for most of its existence. Their border was also much tougher geographically, and it had to prevent crossing from either direction, and it had to catch even single, well prepared crossers. It worked. The proposed US fence will require 2 guards per mile (4,000 guards at any time) working in 4 shifts (making it total 16,000 guards.) Additional forces will be shared and conveniently positioned for a quick response. The guards can be civilian LEOs or "a well regulated Militia," not necessarily the army.

161 posted on 10/15/2011 5:14:30 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: marty60

Someone needs to remind these “indies” that more dead possums are found in the middle of the road that anywhere else.

Maybe a nice (no injuries) fender bender in your favorite ride with an uninsured unlicensed illegal alien would help your logic a bit.


162 posted on 10/15/2011 5:14:38 PM PDT by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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To: VinL

I have seen a fence like this before. It was on the border of East Germany, and I saw it from the West Germany side.


163 posted on 10/15/2011 5:14:42 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: VinL

I seem to recall, The Berlin Wall worked pretty well.


164 posted on 10/15/2011 5:14:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mylife

Would you want to NOT put up a sign warning people?


165 posted on 10/15/2011 5:15:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BobL

So we cut our selves of from water in a state that is suffering a horrible drought?


166 posted on 10/15/2011 5:15:02 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: bwc2221

“Rick chesks with his mega donors (builders, poultry producers, people like that) and does what they want.

They get cheap illegal alien labor. Illegals get a lot of goodies including in-state tuition. The Perry family gets all sorts of free stuff (luxury vacations, Rose Bowl trips, etc.) and taxpaying Americans get the shaft. “

That is EXACTLY the bottom line, and we are SICK OF IT here in Texas.


167 posted on 10/15/2011 5:15:02 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: jla; All
This is utter lunacy. Killing people who dare seek a better life.

Well then, why bother with enforcing the law when armed thugs stage home invasions? They're just seeking a 'better life'. Leave your doors unlocked tonight Sparky, and let whoever wants to come on in help themselves. Maybe they'll even let you live.

For many this isn't about illegal immigration per se. It's about hatred for Mexicans. For any self-described Christian advocating this, it is reprehensible.

Playing that Mexican-Hispanic race card now eh? How about all that hatred generated by illegal Mexicans (and others) who have been pouring across that border and killing, raping, robbing and maiming hundreds of thousands of innocent American citizens since, uhhh let's say 12 Septemebr 2001?

Yes, we've a problem with illegals and something needs to be done. Erecting a Soviet or Nazi style barrier is not the answer, nor is it American.

Your grasp of history is as shaky as your logic. "Soviet" or "Nazi" style barriers were constructed by those totalitarian regimes to keep people IN, you DO know the difference between imprisoning one's citizens, and keeping OUT terrorists, thugs and criminals don't you?

No of course not, you just want everyone to c'mon in and start seeking that "better life".

Give us your address. We'll send 'em all to your house.
168 posted on 10/15/2011 5:15:07 PM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: Krankor

“Yeah, we’re clear. Neither me or Cain have a chance to be elected President. If he said that, he’s a nut- a real, honest to goodnes lunatic.”

I think we’re pretty much on to your anti-Cain guys. If he said that he uses the toilet after waking up, you’d have a problem with that.


169 posted on 10/15/2011 5:16:17 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: VinL

Hermain Cain

The “Gimmick Candidate”.

Everything is so simple-minded with this guy... So basic

Can’t believe so many of you other-wise politically savvy folks fall for his simplistic Ideas


170 posted on 10/15/2011 5:16:22 PM PDT by NYC-Conserv (Rush: Perry the ONLY conservative threat to Romney)
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To: Williams
If you simply crack down on illegals and employing illegals, they will go home and stay home. Because they have their own country.

Really? Tell that to the drug cartels.


171 posted on 10/15/2011 5:16:36 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Too many people are incapable of critical thinking. Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: NYCslicker

Aviation, drones and boots on the ground is what Perry has been requesting for years for the rural areas. Fences in the urban areas.


172 posted on 10/15/2011 5:17:00 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: VinL

Sounds like he’s “shooting from the lip” to me.


173 posted on 10/15/2011 5:17:00 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: jla
“Erecting a Soviet or Nazi style barrier is not the answer, nor is it American.”

There's a huge difference between using a fence to impound your own people, and using a fence to keep foreigners out. It's like the difference between a prison, and security doors at an apartment building. (Just don't build one of those on your northern border, please.)

174 posted on 10/15/2011 5:17:13 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: jla

“Yes, we’ve a problem with illegals and something needs to be done. Erecting a Soviet or Nazi style barrier is not the answer, nor is it American. “

How quaint. And naive. Actually, Cain’s proposal is as American as, well, a white picket fence. Nobody is advocating killing innocent people, and making that leap of logic is absurd.


175 posted on 10/15/2011 5:17:33 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: jla

Amen.

As to the Narco terrorist, they get what they deserve.


176 posted on 10/15/2011 5:17:57 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

No, Perry never said that. You are stating that as a fact, so put up or shut up.


177 posted on 10/15/2011 5:19:06 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: katieanna

Authority is spelled: B 52. Buff can rain on your parade.


178 posted on 10/15/2011 5:19:10 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: mylife

“You aren’t paying for anything Rick Perry has done.
You are paying for what Ted Kennedy and the federal Gov have done.”

I live in TEXAS, I don’t need for you to be telling me I’m not paying for anything RICK PERRY does. We sure as hell are...in lots and lots of ways (including a Houston police officer that was shot because Perry allows Sanctuary Cities).


179 posted on 10/15/2011 5:19:22 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: BobL

Lets do it on YOUR LAND WITH YOUR MONEY


180 posted on 10/15/2011 5:19:36 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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