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Jobs’s Philanthropic Record Is The Subject Of Debate
Wa Po ^ | 10/7/11 | Peter Whoriskey

Posted on 10/07/2011 11:02:08 AM PDT by Lmo56

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To: Drill Thrawl
Perhaps he made his donations anonomously?

How much did Teddy Kennedy leave to charity [ I don't know]. BUT, I heard that when Rose died - she wanted to leave the Hyannis Port Compound to a group of Nuns [she was VERY religious] - BUT that Teddy had the will falsified so that the FAMILY would keep the real estate ...

21 posted on 10/07/2011 11:26:36 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56
societal obligations of the very rich

Steve Jobs was one of the inventors of the personal computer by the time he was in his mid 30s. That had an unmeasurable impact on increasing the wealth of the world and reducing human misery. Thus, Jobs more than fulfilled his "societal obligation" by the age of 35. Giving his money to some Socialist Front under some self-congradulatory "Giving Pledge" would probably harm society.

22 posted on 10/07/2011 11:28:14 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Lmo56

Jobs built a company with a market cap in excess of $350 billion. A company’s stock price essentially represents the net present value of future earnings, so this implies that after discounting future earnings so that they are equivalent to today’s values, the aggregate total of future earnings projected for Apple is >$350B. To earn that much money, a company has to provide at least that much value, else customers wouldn’t be willing to pay the prices that generate such earnings.

This valuation greatly understates the true value of Apple to the world since in any competitive market, there is a consumer surplus above and beyond the market price reflecting the reality that for some consumers, an iPhone might be worth %1,000, but because of the magic of the market, such individuals can get one for many hundreds of dollars less than that.

The point being that even if Jobs instructed his heirs to literally burn all his remaining wealth, the value that he provided to humanity in his lifetime already dwarfs the charitable giving of even Bill Gates.


23 posted on 10/07/2011 11:29:25 AM PDT by DrC
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To: Drill Thrawl
Perhaps he made his donations anonomously?

Perhaps he did. Perhaps he didn't. I really don't care. It's none of my business.

But if I saw a story about how Steve Jobs gave billions of dollars to one deserving charity or another, I tell you truly it would make me think less of him.

I don't care what Zuckerburg or Gates give away. They can do whatever they want with their money. But the fact that they make a big show out of what they do disgusts me.

24 posted on 10/07/2011 11:29:25 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be a slave)
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To: Lmo56

Well...MAYBE Jobs figured out what a few of US have figured out....one billionaire giving to another billionaire (or group) ala Gates and Buffet....is NOT charity...it’s tax avoidance...


25 posted on 10/07/2011 11:32:13 AM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: anonsquared
Imagine how much worse Microsoft and Windows would be if they hadn’t had Apple nipping at their heels. I call that a great service to society.

Lots of Microsoft stuff [desktop, icons, mouse clicks, etc.] was RIPPED-OFF from Apple innovations. Check out the "Pirates Of Silicon Valley" [1999] movie ...

26 posted on 10/07/2011 11:33:11 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: goodnesswins

One of the most appalling things about our tax code is that just about every American taxpayer dutifully totes up all of their charitable giving each year so he can report that number to the government. One big reason I would support Herman Cain’s 9/9/9 Plan is that it would eliminate the charitable deduction, so this information would no longer be any of the government’s business.


27 posted on 10/07/2011 11:36:22 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be a slave)
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To: Lmo56

And Apple ripped them off first. So what?


28 posted on 10/07/2011 11:42:53 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter Hobbit)
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To: Lmo56

My mouth was hanging wide open by the time I got to the end of the excerpt. I am glad you said what I was thinking.

“societal obligations” ....taxes.

Google the phrase...it is fictitious. It didn’t come up on the first page of my search engine.


29 posted on 10/07/2011 11:43:25 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Sacajaweau
Exactly! He proved, time and again, that he could more “societal good” by creating entire new categories of business, than any amount of philanthropy. Philanthropy is probably best engaged in by semiretired wealthy people — people who can no longer see better uses for the resources.
30 posted on 10/07/2011 11:44:38 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
The government gave Jobs how much to start up his business AND TEACH IT TO OTHERS??

Please....My side hurts from laughing!!

31 posted on 10/07/2011 12:37:06 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: DrC

Jobs’ contribution to society is inestimable. Making it possible for people to maximize their own talents is the most noble way to be charitable. Whether or not he gave “fish” seems irrelevant when he obviously gave so very many “fishing rods”.


32 posted on 10/07/2011 1:23:20 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (If you build it, they will come and take it away from you..)
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To: Lmo56

“Now what will happen to Jobs’s fortune — Forbes has estimated his net worth at $8.3 billion — is a matter of speculation that is provoking discussion about Jobs and the societal obligations of the very rich.”

Uh... perhaps he thought that his FAMILY came before strangers.

And how much of his salary has Whoriskey given to charitable causes this year...?


33 posted on 10/07/2011 1:35:14 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Lmo56

“societal obligations”

SAY WHAT??? I have just two words for those people: eff them!


34 posted on 10/07/2011 3:25:44 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Lmo56

“Perhaps he made his donations anonomously?
How much did Teddy Kennedy leave to charity [ I don’t know]. BUT, I heard that when Rose died - she wanted to leave the Hyannis Port Compound to a group of Nuns [she was VERY religious] - BUT that Teddy had the will falsified so that the FAMILY would keep the real estate ...”

It was probably the convent that takes care of the daughter who had a lobotomy. Joe Kennedy had it performed because she wasn’t as smart as the other siblings and he thought she was becoming a discipline problem. The one thing Rose said she could not forgive him for.


35 posted on 10/07/2011 5:39:28 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Anima Mundi

“Whether or not he gave “fish” seems irrelevant when he obviously gave so very many “fishing rods”.”

Excellent point. In that regard, the market capitalization of Apple is a greatly understated measure of Jobs’ value to society. We’d have to add to it at least part of the downstream value created by those who used Apple tools to make the world a better place. There arguably are few individuals in the history of the planet who have contributed more to improving social welfare than Steve Jobs: how many can say they added hundreds of billions of dollars to the happiness of mankind?


36 posted on 10/08/2011 7:08:36 AM PDT by DrC
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