Posted on 09/28/2011 7:33:26 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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...the in-state tuition debate isnt really about tuition at all its about amnesty. First of all, the DREAM Act moniker is borrowed from proposed federal legislation which would have legalized certain illegal aliens brought here before their 16th birthday an amnesty, in other words. The state-level DREAM Acts are just efforts at creating momentum and awareness for the amnesty legislation.
The problem with this, of course, is that once they graduate with this taxpayer-subsidized education, theyre still illegal aliens and so its illegal to hire them. (The stuff about pursuing citizenship is meaningless chaff theres no such thing for people in this situation.) Theyre not going to make our country better or go on to create money for the economy or be contributing members in the state of Texas if theyre still illegal aliens.
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Now, maybe theres an argument to be made for legalizing certain illegal aliens brought here at a very young age whose identities were formed here and who know no other country. Actually, Ive made that very argument many times. But if were going to debate amnesty for people in this situation, then lets debate amnesty. Arguing for in-state tuition for illegal aliens without making plain that the real objective is legal status is incomplete at best, dishonest at worst.
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Thank you for posting that. It might be the first time anyone ) certainly not the amnesty lovers) have seen that.
the Texas Dream act says if you lived in Texas and attended school in Texas for the 3 years prior to graduation you are considered a resident for post secondary tuition purposes.
This actually applies to anyone including LEGALS .
so someone born in new York but who lived here and attended school here for 3 years can attend a college here as a resident.
I hate that this DREAM act here takes us one step closer to amnesty.
Enforce our current laws and illegals will go back. It is that simple and I think if we the people keep pressure on the electeds we can get to a point our country actually enforces its laws.
Before building a multi-billion dollar wall, let's change that law above.
Cost: Nothing to change the law.
Savings: $10,000 to $25,000 in savings per illegal child per year. Also...It would be one more discouragement for illegals to come and/or stay, and would increase their visibility in the community if their kids were not in school.
Texas has tougher restrictions on in-state illegal aliens than 38 other states. Only 4 states deny in-state tuition; 8, like Texas, actually have some guidelines.
I guess I don’t understand the furor over Texas having tougher limits on in-state tuition for illegals than 38 other states in the union.
Then again, I understand little about FR these days.
A late-night talk show host has made the point several times, which I agree with, that the current illegal alien problem is the result of a conscious business model. Insourcing of cheap labor has been the result of numerous industries lobbying DC for decades to not enforce the laws on the books, so they can have their hotel maids and poultry handlers. The net result is what we see now.
Down the rabbit hole in Humpty Dumpty-land words mean what the Marxists running the country want them to mean.
School IS mandatory!!!!!!!!
Legalized certain illegal aliens brought here before their 16th birthday.
Progressives killing America one law at a time.
Propose a law that says illegals are free to work in this country but only if the employer pays something like a 30% surcharge on every illegal salary that goes directly to the states. We’ll see if businesses really need to get the work done that Americans don’t want to do, or whether they just want to get the work done that Americans won’t do for low wages.
>>School IS mandatory!!!!!!!! <<
Illegal IS illegal.
Since your mom spoke no English, forgive me for asking...was she an illegal alien?
If so, than you can hardly be called unbiased.
Its also about fairness. Kids who’s parents are here legally, pay tuition based on their parents actions - if the parents are modestly successful, the kids pay more for school since they don’t qualify for grants.
Perry wants to say kids of illegals shouldn’t be held to the same standard of their parents actions - in fact he outright says parents actions should not affect the cost of higher education.
That’s not how the system works for kids here legally.
Ping!
>>I guess I dont understand the furor over Texas having tougher limits on in-state tuition for illegals than 38 other states in the union.
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That’s not what the furor is about. It’s about a Presidential candidate who is weak on immigration and calls the rest of us heartless racists.
That is correct. My children are adults now but when they were in school, on the first day, the principal asked each student if they knew of any child who should be in school but wasn't. If each child had to present a **valid** social security number and birth certificate before enrollment, then these illegals would become very visible in the community precisely because they would not be in school. The result would be deportation of the entire family.
Exactly, they sign off on an affidavit with some verbiage about seeking citizenship...ooops...how?
The Fed code says overstay in the US unlawfully for over 6 months would not allow one to seek residency or citizenship for TEN YEARS.
The politicians are good at hiding and misrepresenting the FACTS on all of this.
Rick Perry necessarily had to whore himself out to a race to win Texas. America is bigger than a race, throwing his fellow non-Hispanic citizenry under the bus to pander to a race is not going to fly for a presidential position. I view his picture under the La Raza banner as being equivalent to posing under a KKK banner.
Rick Perrys problem is the fact that 81 percent of the jobs created since 2007 in Texas have gone to immigrants who arrived here since 2007. Ninety-three percent of these immigrants arent citizens and an estimated 50 percent are illegal aliens while the percentage of Americans in Texas holding jobs fell from 71 percent in 2007 to 67 percent in 2011.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/perry_border_baloney_CyP3CK8Nao2t8IZdjU6y3K
Rick Perry is against E-Verify, a simple phone call that reserves the jobs for Americans and LEGAL aliens.
E-Verify wouldnt amount to a hill of beans for Texas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJs5Rw-v18E
Rick Perry is forcing Americans to pay for the continued education of foreigners that most Americans dont even want in our country.
LOl!
Another Perry/Amnesty supporter pipes up to prove my point!
>>Rick Perry is forcing Americans to pay for the continued education of foreigners that most Americans dont even want in our country.<<
And he’s doing it to benefit HIMSELF.
lonestar, this is ultimately the debate I was trying to have with you and the point I was trying to make (article and the specific post I am replying to in this thread.
Iron Munro:
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Are illegal aliens in Texas exempt from paying sales tax and property tax? There is no state income tax in Texas, right?
It is NOT a "law". The Supreme Court ruled as such, 5-4, in Plyer v. Doe. Feel free to Google this complex case. The SCOTUS should indeed OVERTURN the ruling. But Congress cannot.
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