Posted on 09/25/2011 6:34:42 AM PDT by no dems
I so tire of people saying: "Well, I like Herman Cain, but, he can't win." Well, I think the Florida Presidential Poll yesterday said differently. Cain received more votes than Perry-winkle and Rino Romney put together:
Cain: 37%
Perry: 15%
Romney:14%
And Perry worked his butt off and spent a lot of money. The Floridians ate the dummy's free breakfast, endured his perfunctory speech and then went and voted for someone who actually has some ideas and can put a sentence together and explain his ideas. I think it's time for Herman Cain to be taken seriously.
The idea that holding pubic office is the only way to gain valuable experience for public office is simply narrow close minded thinking and it is also parrotting elitist talking points.
And if you think that the problem with Obama is that he is an “inexperienced fool” - then you are not paying attention to what it is about Obama that is killing the country.
Aint’ gotta damned thing to do with his inexperience. It’s got to do with his damned successful implementation of socialist policies.
And to lump the entire life experiences of Keyes and Forbes and Buchanan and Cain together is to really be a “stuck inside the box” insult to the incredible and varied experiences of all four men - and none more than Cain, who has a more amazing and well rounded life than even the other three.
Or, we can keep electing experienced politicians, because, well, how’s that workin out for ya?
Oh, and while I’m at it, we saw things happen in 2009 and 2010 that broke all the old rules. 2012 will to. So cling to the “old rules” at your peril.
>>> What fascinates me is the number of people who jump ship each time something happens one way or another in the hopes of being known as supporting the winner.
What if Cain says something unpopular? Will there be a sudden rush to whoever is saying what the people want to hear?>>
I get your frustration: I think people jump ship because they have a hard time discerning between compromise on principle - and unrealistic purity. There is also the oppression of the immediate — you know, like since Obama got Usama it’s all over for 2012 already....etc. Thus everything is magnified and a lot of it all but forgotten weeks later.
Cain will certainly say some unpopular things (again) and we’ll see how he does as a top tier for the first time — which may or may not work out well. Right now he’s benefitted from the fact that every other candidate likes him and none of them thought he was a threat so no one challenged him.
He is a threat now, and we’ll see how this all unfolds. I have no idea how it will either....
I appreciate your commitment to objectivity.
To me, all these polls and straw polls seem like a way for the cable channels to fill time during a notoriously slow news time. They are less than useless to realists.
Maybe such a person WOULD say that but I belong to NO party (although I’ve worked for candidates from both over the past 51 years and have become completely disillusioned by the “establishment” types of both sides.)
Oh, he COULD whup up on Obozo who acts lke his pants just fell down when he has to speak without a teleprompter.
But Biden is gaffe-prone and I think that it is far more realistic to view Herman as a potential VP candidate.
Maybe time and polls will prove me wrong. And I wouldn’t feel bad if they did.
Whatever. Throw your vote away on Pat Paulson, why should I care. I merely stated my opinion on the subject, and you are quite free to reject it without insulting me.
If I need an experienced semiconductor scientist, I won’t be looking to an MBA school for candidates. Government is not a business, nor should it be.
Bye.
I agree with half, maybe two/thirds of what you say about the straw polls. They are news filler and they can be criticized fairly as extremely small samples.
Now for the slight nuanced disagreement:
I submit a couple of things make them more significant that useless: For instance, the Florida Straw poll was a correct predictor of every single GOP nominee starting with Reagan’s first successful run. And then there’s the idea that simply because the news channels do hype them, they grow into something more significant than perhaps they should be.
One week, or six weeks from now, the Florida poll might be doing Cain no more good than the Iowa straw poll did Bachmann. OR, it might a game changer.
My team’s quarterback just threw and interception after getting sacked.
I guess I need to find another team to be loyal to.
/s
You have a slavish devotion to conventional wisdom and with due respect, your analogy is so incomplete as to be flawed.
I have extreme radar for conventional wisdom and analogy flaws.....
It’s funny you picked the quarterback analogy. It’s sort of understood in football that if a team is struggling, the most popular player on the team is always the second string quarterback.
In hockey, the same for second string goalies.
I think we are seeing a lot of that playing out in this nomination process. Romney was the first stringer, but no one really thought he could lead the team - so we’ve seen Bachmann surge and then she fell off a cliff. Perry really surged and now it remains to be seen how far he falls, but he is falling.
So now Cain will surge it appears. The intense light of being considered top tier is revealing and full of pressure.
With all due respect, I humbly submit that you are perhaps the least bit enamored with the widely held conventional wisdom - and as such - you perhaps have not noticed the wide spread beat down that conventional wisdom has taken in our political landscape since 2008.
And with reference to your hiring analogy, while somewhat valid, it is my humble opinion that it is perhaps the tiniest bit incomplete and that as such, it might fall just a smidgeon short of being applicable to the given situation.
That is the most un-insulting thing I’ve heard all day...I think.
:)
If I need an experienced pipefitter, I find someone experienced at fitting pipe, that’s all I’m saying. If you want to rubbish that by labeling it “conventional wisdom,” then go ahead. That’s your right. I just don’t see how you are going to convince tens of millions of voters to hire a grocery store check-out clerk (I am not calling Herman Cain that, I am just presenting a hypothetical) for the position of pipefitter on a hotel construction site. Even if the previous pipefitter I’m replacing is the biggest screw-up this side of the Mississippi.
The rap on “conventional wisdom” is not that it’s always wrong, it’s that it’s not always (or even often) correct. If you know a person who is a congenital liar, you can’t simply disbelieve everything he says because sometimes he’ll tell you the truth just to mess you up. You have to do your own research. (And I’m NOT calling anybody here a liar. I’m just drawing another ridiculous analogy.)
My personal opinion about Herman Cain, and it’s just that, MHO (everybody has one, along with one of something else), I don’t think he can win because he’s never held a public office. Should he? Maybe, I’m open to that. But he has never been a peer of the pack of kittens he intends to herd. As a person who has worked all his life at a career, I think that’s a fatal flaw for a candidate.
I was giving Perry the benefit of the doubt yet once he came out and called me heartless that was the last straw. I loathe Mittens, and the rest of the pack can’t win, with the exception of Cain who has impressed me. I am going with a true conservative this time and the media will not pick my candidate this time!
Well The Won held a public office and what did that get us, lots of corruption and the Chicago way. No thanks.
I guess my main point, the one I've been making for a while, is this: I want someone besides RuPaul (who I don't take seriously at all) to make a statement concerning the Fed.
Can you imagine the firestorm of support that Cain would engender if he put it to Perry and Romney, something like, "What do you guys say about this? Do you even understand it? I do..."
Look, I want to like Cain. At this point I'm revolted by Perry and Romney, horrified at the thought of Christie, mystified by Palin, disappointed in Bachman. Cain could leave Perry and Romney speechless, and really solidify his position with a bold move.
But it always makes me wonder, is this something you just don't talk about or, somehow, someway, you're finished in this kind of game?
If that's the case, then maybe we're all fools and none of it matters...
OT, somebody at The American Thinker said it best: RuPaul is so right about so many things, but when it comes to defense and foreign policy, its like somebody slipped him a dose of acid. Weird...
Boo hoo...he called you heartless...and I mock you, so you gonna quit FR now, too?
Put your Big Boy or Big Girl pants on.
I have on my girlie panties and they say NO RINOS!
Not sure why folks are dismissing the staw poll.
By itself it may not be that big of a deal.
however, if it gives Mr Cain some attention and more people tune in to see what this guy Cain is all about.. then its all good.
Cain is making the rounds and that is good,too. You have to take advantage of any opportunity.
Boo hoo...he called you heartless...and I mock you, so you gonna quit FR now, too?
Put your Big Boy or Big Girl pants on.
OK, that was kind of weird.
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