Posted on 09/16/2011 5:40:16 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty
As the debates rage on among GOP presidential hopefuls, one particular issue has caught my attention. Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., has entered a particularly bitter battle with Gov. Rick Perry over his 2007 executive order requiring that all sixth-grade Texas girls be vaccinated against the human papillomavirus (HPV), which is a risk factor for developing cervical cancer.
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Why should people be required to “opt out”.
They should rid all this “opt out” stuff—it creates all this nonsense people don’t have time for....they should have to “opt in”.
The “opt out” is because most people won’t bother to go through the hassle. It is the laziness in man’s nature. The psychologists understood this when they created the notion of “opt out”.
The fascism angle is that government dictates to adults what they should decide for themselves. We are supposed to have individual freedom to make decision concerning our lives and those of our children. Government is a necessary evil—as the Founders understood. It needs to be restrained. It has no business in education and medicine. Like John Stuart Mill said.....once the camel’s nose is under the tent, it will lead to tyranny....always.
The states interest is only how to get more power and money for itself....it never cares for the people...never. It is the nature of power. They do not care about the health of our girls no matter what they say and should have no connections with money grants to studies for university research, etc. It is all a fraud and to sell their agenda....and if you knew what there agenda is....you would puke.
That is why politicians lie and cover up. They NEVER reveal their intentions.....unless they are true statesmen who really care about the future of the country.....Haven’t seen many of those in awhile and Perry goes with the Puppet masters as is shown by his immigration policies, vaccine policies, homosexual marriage thinking, etc. No different than Bush and McCain, etc.
We need to change our path.....we are headed for a totalitarian state. Tocqueville stated that it is the end of democracy.....and our government run schools teach our children that we are a democracy—just so we will become a totalitarian state.....Even Plato and Aristotle knew that democracy leads to tyranny, always. We need to become a Republic—and get back to the Constitutional legal system which has been abandoned for a century.
Government needs to get out of practicing medicine and DOE needs to be abolished so we have thinking Americans again.
Bulls eye! I salute you! Mandating from government funded research and conclusion is extremely troubling, especially as government becomes broader and more centralized. Government tentacles have infiltrated too many parts of our lives.
The vaccine push is one example. Diseases are just a manifestation of symptoms, caused by a toxic external and internal environment. You would not use gasoline to put out a fire. For many people that is exactly what vaccines do. There are many more prudent protocols that can be followed to achieve similar results without the dangers.
Stay Strong and IN Great Health..
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AMEN! Well Said!
Great post!
Stay Strong and In Great Health...
The gigantic worldwide study says that's BS ~ that actually it's known to be transmissible through other means, but not with the frequency of sexual transmission.
First, they place some bounds on this by noting that FEW women have ever been found with HPV infection who have not also been sexually active. On the other hand they have found antibodies to HPV in infants, and in people who have never engaged in sexual intercourse, or anal intercourse.
It doesn't get passed around in sneezes, but sex isn't the only route.
Plus, we are talking about people in who we can measure antibodies ~ and that right there may be part of the problem in determining if their other pathways to infection. It is known that some people "catch" HPV and it creates genital warts yet other people "resist" HPV and no genital warts are ever created ~ the body simply destroys the virus and that's end of story. The level of antibodies for those with stronger immune systems may well be below the sensitivity of the technique used to detect them.
What that would mean is our understanding of HPV is based mostly on it's impact on people who are susceptible to infection! Healthier folks (those not susceptible to infection) simply don't leave a trace.
The sexual intercourse vector may well be nothing more than an artifact of the measurement process ~ this stuff could be floating around like flu germs for all anybody really knows!
Transmissibility is not the issue here ~ rather folks should be more concerned with lifetime infections and the effects ~ to wit, various sorts of cancer.
We're probably inconveniencing 99% of the population who will never get any of these cancers to preserve the genome of the 1% who end up with cancer from HPV infection.
I don’t know, is Glaxo (Ceravix) still giving money to Bachmann?
I pretty much agree. I hate high drama. It's unbecoming in someone who desires to be the President. I really thought Michelle Bachmann came off as a histrionic menopausal crazy person in need of Hormone Replacement Therapy.
I'd rather see her going after Obama's policies that are driving us towards the abyss, than Rick Perry.
It did take some time after the Texas legislature removed the king's crown for him to get it that he did NOT have the sole power to mandate anybody to purchase that product.
IT does not matter one bit that everyone who bought health insurance whether or not they ever got the vaccine was going to be forced to pay higher premiums so the some could get the vaccination. There was NO informed consent to the many when who were to be forced to pay for the few to receive government vaccines. See some people are more special than the rest, get out your check book politics.
Wonder how many vaccinations could have been handed out had Merck not been out buying up politicians? This to me goes to the 'core' of real concern about the plague of sexually transmitted cancer. They did spend quite a pot of gold to get elected official to mandate/tax uninformed consumers of health insurance. But I digress this was a 'salvation' movement and we cannot question well paid for good intentions. Liberals in TEA PARTY costumes.
This kind of government operation is 'bad' if you are an establishment liberal, but establishment republicans get praised for taxation/mandates if it is for the better good. You can be comforted that today in Iowa, Governor Perry was asking people to 'trust him', so the salvation movement is gaining ground.
I still like Bachmann, and I find great irony in her getting dragged through the proverbial mud because she repeated what an audience member told her after the debate. See it was ok for king Perry to hold court with 'cancer' victims after the legislature handed him is crown. But Bachmann is suppose to sit down shut up and bend down to king Perry. NOT happening in my little neck of the world.
But he did sign it. Wouldn't it be nice if Obama yielded to the people's will and abandoned Obamacare? Wouldn't it be nice if he admitted he overstepped and retracted anything instead of fighting every step of the way.
The issue to me is that Perry's the first pol I've seen in a while who flat out admitted he was wrong and agreed to reverse his decision without spinning it to death.
Perry won and Bachman lost big time..
They both lost.
I like Michele just fine...as a Congress person.
“This is such an overblown non-issue. (Except that it convinced me I don’t want to vote for Bachmann.)”
Most came a way feeling that way. Thus, Bachmann loses.
“Have you been railing against vaccinations for the past 60 years, or did you just decide that vaccinations = fascist nanny state after you heard about Perry and Gardasil?”
Exactly. Anti-vaccine nutters egg on her over-the-top rhetoric, while the rest of us are thinking “whoa, so are mandated polio and measles shots evil too?” ...
Perry doesnt win. He admitted he made a mistake. So it highlights a mistake he made.
So I guess Obama wins when we dwell on these sideshows. Makes GOP look extreme and/or weak, and takes focus off obama’s failures as President.
1. The mandatory injection of Gardasil takes decision making power away from parents; it reflects the same paternalistic mentality as Obamneycare.
2. These are very young girls we’re talking about. They’re probably too young to worry about this.
3. Gardasil is manufactured by Merck and at least one of Perry’s staffers had very close ties to Merck. It looks like cronyism, and in politics, sometime sappearance is reality.
1. The mandatory injection of Gardasil takes decision making power away from parents; it reflects the same paternalistic mentality as Obamneycare.
2. These are very young girls we’re talking about. They’re probably too young to worry about this.
3. Gardasil is manufactured by Merck and at least one of Perry’s staffers had very close ties to Merck. It looks like cronyism, and in politics, sometimes appearance is reality.
“1. The mandatory injection of Gardasil takes decision making power away from parents; it reflects the same paternalistic mentality as Obamneycare.
2. These are very young girls we’re talking about. They’re probably too young to worry about this.
3. Gardasil is manufactured by Merck and at least one of Perry’s staffers had very close ties to Merck. It looks like cronyism, and in politics, sometimes appearance is reality.”
These are all valid statements. If Michele would have just said these and left it at that, she would have scored some points and it may have helped her gain some momentum. The problem is she went so over the top-and today I saw it in the fundraising letter she sent out.
I live in her district and I’ve phone banked for her and been happy to donate to her congressional re-election campaigns and a couple times to her presidential campaign. But the latest email I got I had to write her back and let her know she’s gone way too far. I hope she gets the message before she completely self-destructs.
This.
Bachmann's heart is in the right place and she's most excellent as a Tea Party congresswoman, but she's somewhat of a neurotic loose canon at times.
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? No thank you.
D00d, I'm not trying to get on your case, but how many times does it need to be said before it sinks in:
IT WAS NEVER MANDATORY. PARENTS COULD OPT OUT.
No "decision making power" was taken away from parents. This has been made clear on this forum time and time again in a gazillion different ways. Yet seemingly intelligent people keep repeating the untruth.
Again I'm not trying to get on you, but I'm earnestly wondering; Why do you people keep repeating this crap?
Serious question.
That is correct... the MANDATE was a TAX increase to all who purchased health insurance whether they got the vaccine or NOT. NOW how much $$$$ did Merck invest to get politicians to TAX with out CONSENT of the governed.
Yeah okay whatever. Get your magnifiying glass out, find some tiny sliver of minutea, then present it as a boulder.
Right or wrong, what you bring up is not the issue. Nobody is lighting their hair on fire in protest of insurance companies having to add another (relatively cheap) vaccination to the long list. They are lighting their hair on fire in protest of making the vaccination MANDATORY.
Except making the vaccination mandatory NEVER HAPPENED. Yet Bachmann and many FReepers keep repeating the very opposite, despite being repeatedly corrected ad nauseum.
I think maybe she's right - Gardisal is making her and many others "retarded."
It was effectively mandatory, as the opt-out was a difficult, phantom procedure. It wasn’t a real opt-out. How many times does that have to beexplained before people understand it?
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