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Major Plane Crash at Reno Air Races Many dead [NTSB Update: 11 Dead; Over 50 Injured]]
16 Sep 2011 | vanity

Posted on 09/16/2011 5:15:07 PM PDT by PilotDave

A P-51 crashed into a vip area at the reno air races about 25. Initial reports indicate many deaths.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: aviation; reno; renoairraces
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To: lwoodham
I wonder how many are like me and have their curiosities peaked to the max...

I am.

201 posted on 09/16/2011 11:16:32 PM PDT by good old days (God bless Sarah Palin.)
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To: txhurl

Wow, now I see why you were reluctant to say.


202 posted on 09/16/2011 11:16:39 PM PDT by lwoodham (There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: MplsSteve
OK, I understand your desire to not want to spread rumors that may not be true.

Me too, but I think Ron Paul is in Reno tonight. That's the only guess I can come up with.

203 posted on 09/16/2011 11:20:34 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: All

What I don’t understand is why there was not a fireball. There had to be a lot of fuel in that plane. It seems to be a miracle. There would have been a lot more injured if there was. Another strange thing is that I didn’t see any of the firefighters and EMTs running to the scene. They seemed to be walking leisurely to the scene. Maybe they were in shock. I know I would be.


204 posted on 09/16/2011 11:24:12 PM PDT by albionin
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To: albionin

“Another strange thing is that I didn’t see any of the firefighters and EMTs running to the scene.”

I noticed that too. I also figured everyone was in shock just after that moment.


205 posted on 09/16/2011 11:26:02 PM PDT by lwoodham (There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: albionin

Seriously — all the people were just milling around like they were at the state fair. Some were kneeling by the victims, but most just walking around. Maybe they were shell shocked or something.


206 posted on 09/16/2011 11:28:11 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Semper911

Probably just a rumor.

In this FACEBOOK & TWITTTER universe, it’s pretty difficult to keep something like the death of a high profile individual a secret, especially if it occured in a public place...


207 posted on 09/16/2011 11:28:11 PM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Semper911

Me too, but I think Ron Paul is in Reno tonight.


Doing what?


208 posted on 09/16/2011 11:29:27 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: lwoodham
I saw two names mentioned on another forum. One of the names originated from a YouTube comment. Whether it's true or not is anybody's guess at this point -- but there are a lot of malicious people out there who might have thought it was funny to start such a rumor about this admired conservative.

If any of the posters here had other sources for that person's death, I'd be concerned.

The second name I saw mentioned on the other site was someone's unsourced info that a political VIP had been in Reno (no mention of attendance at the Air Show). He's not my cup of tea (not intended as a pun), but is certainly a major figure who has fans here.

Harry Reid's statement did not sound like either one of these people (both definitely known to him) had been injured or died.

I'll say a prayer for all concerned and go to bed without worries about these two.

209 posted on 09/16/2011 11:30:22 PM PDT by Tea Party Hobbit (The RINOs lack all conviction, and the Dems are full of passionate intensity)
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To: Beaten Valve

Unless I misunderstood post #199, the mystery is solved and the person that was in question was a freeper and is now verified by his post to be ok.


210 posted on 09/16/2011 11:31:19 PM PDT by lwoodham (There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Beaten Valve
Probably just a rumor.

Probably. Odd, isn't it, how there is more interest in the safety of famous people than for the ordinary Americans who died or are suffering tonight.

God bless the families, and give them strength.

211 posted on 09/16/2011 11:32:06 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Semper911
God bless the families, and give them strength.

Amen.

212 posted on 09/16/2011 11:33:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: txhurl
Doing what?

He had a speech at the Libertarian Conference, and was introduced by Vince Vaughn.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/16/vince-vaughn-to-introduce-ron-paul-at-libertarian-conference/

213 posted on 09/16/2011 11:35:28 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Semper911

Very true Semper911. Prayers up for all the affected families and friends. I am off to bed. Ya’ll remember to turn out the lights and put out the dog.


214 posted on 09/16/2011 11:36:52 PM PDT by lwoodham (There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: albionin

I would think the fuel in the competition aircraft is only enough to complete the race, with a bit extra for go-arounds and delays but not much.


215 posted on 09/16/2011 11:42:05 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: steve86

You are probably right. My heart goes out to all those injured and killed. I hope the death toll doesn’t climb any higher but I fear it will. As far as the rescuers, it would take nerves of steel to walk up on that scene. I honestly don’t know if I could do it, knowing what I would find.


216 posted on 09/16/2011 11:52:59 PM PDT by albionin
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To: Tea Party Hobbit
The name I had heard was the first one you mention (originated from YouTube comments). Another poster here on FR had the same name but from a different source - supposedly a source at the scene, but it was second- or third-hand info when it came to him, so there may be some possibility that it somehow originated from YouTube too and made its way to people at the scene or something.

The other poster's source makes me just a touch nervous, but I'm still pretty convinced it's almost certainly not true, as it would be almost certain to be public by now if it were true.

217 posted on 09/17/2011 12:07:40 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: steve86
I would think the fuel in the competition aircraft is only enough to complete the race, with a bit extra for go-arounds and delays but not much.

Yep. Anything above that is just extra weight to haul around.

218 posted on 09/17/2011 12:08:24 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: rainee

11:00 News channel 8 showed a VERY clear still photo of a trim-tab coming off the plane’s tail just before the pilot lost full control.

The trim-tab is not that large a part, it is part of the horizontal stabilizer.
Apparently, losing it made this plane uncontrollable.

So, it seems fairly clear that this was a mechanical failure at racing speed.

No doubt the NTSB will have more to say, in several months.


219 posted on 09/17/2011 12:14:26 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Not 80...74


220 posted on 09/17/2011 12:20:19 AM PDT by caww
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