Posted on 09/11/2011 2:10:24 PM PDT by Kevmo
Bologna & Uppsala Testing eCat?
admin on September 11, 2011 —
Updated…
For some time now there have been questions regarding independent access to eCats – particularly at Bologna and Uppsala Universities. A private agreement between Andrea Rossi and Bologna is purported to exist that will have a team of researchers performing an analysis of the energy catalysing system. According to AR, this is intended as a means to understand and improve the process and is a commercial agreement between him and the University. The contract would come into force when AR settled the account. Since it is a commercial endeavour, we do not know all the details surrounding the contract. This has led some to throw stones (inferring, for instance, that there is something shady about the money not being paid yet). Less cynical watchers adopt the wait-and-see mode and wonder if the program will begin towards the end of the year when money starts rolling down the eCat pipe.
With no idea of the deals made behind closed doors, it is always possible that funding has begun to roll. We think that Ampenergo has made some payment to Rossi (although we cannot be sure). That seems reasonable given the previous and on-going close relationship between the inventor and Ampenergo’s officers. But what of the mysterious partner we hope to hear about soon? If that partner is indeed an entity with deep pockets and a will to spread the eCat far and wide, it would be in its own interest to grease the wheels.
It is extremely unlikely that a serious and substantial enterprise would get involved with something as loopy as a mysterious device that could save the world without a lot more proof than we have seen in public. Cynics will argue that stupider things have been done and of course we cannot rule it out, but I would bet that these people are not stupid. Proof of such a vigorous reaction is easy to give without compromising secrecy and I would wager that some degree of that has been given to those important to Rossi’s plans. If so, would they have followed Ampenergo’s lead and given AR a much needed financial shot in the arm?
For those who like to complain that there is not enough meat on the bones to talk about anything, they are welcome not to take part in the discussion – it is not compulsory. For the rest of us, it is interesting to try and put the pieces together. It also has a serious purpose. By creating such talking points, we learn from each other so that by the time the meat appears we will have a keener insight into what it means and how the puzzle fits together in the real world.
A few weeks ago, Andrea Rossi told us that there were no eCats anywhere but with him. We also think we know that Uppsala University has no agreement with Rossi (at least that was the case). Now it seems that they and Bologna have eCats and since AR cannot be there to police them, we must assume that, if it is true, they have unsupervised access. So, has the money been paid to Bologna? Has the research program started? Is there now an agreement with Uppsala University or with Essen and Kullander?
In recent AR posts, he tells us that important issues relating to the process and approvals have been solved bringing the promise of domestic eCats closer (thank you, H. Visscher) and that the universities above now have their machines (tip of the hat to Ivan Mohorovicic). He also tells us that ‘prospective’ partners for the Asian and European markets are in play. If the eCat proves to be on the level, there is an avalanche of news waiting to break and I get the feeling that that is going to happen sometime soon. Let’s hope so.
Piers D September 9th, 2011 at 10:26 AM Dear Mr Rossi,
I would like to congratulate all your team who have worked on bringing cold fusion from the lab to industrial and commercial reality. It seems so many years ago that Fleishman and Pons first introduced the concept to the wider global audience. I have two questions that you might wish to answer:
• Have fully working E-Cats been provided to the Bologna and Uppsala Universities for research and testing?
• Do you have any prospective European or Asian partners that will license the E-Cat technology for commercial production?
Yours sincerely
Piers Dickinson
Andrea Rossi September 9th, 2011 at 11:28 AM Dear Piers D:
1- yes
2- yes
Warm regards,
A.R. Andrea Rossi September 10th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
WARNING TO ALL OUR READERS:
I AM RECEIVING THOUSANDS OF REQUESTS OF INVITATION TO VISIT OUR PLANT. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS OF SECURITY WE CANNOT RECEIVE MORE THAN FEW PERSONS PER VISIT.
THE START UP TEST WILL BE RESTRICTED TO FEW SCIENTISTS AND SCIENTIFIC JOURNALISTS. THE TEST WILL BE PUT ONLINE, TO ALLOW EVERYBODY TO SEE IT. FURTHER VISITS WILL BE ALLOWED, BUT IN A LIMITED NUMBER AND RESERVED TO SPECIALISTS AND CUSTOMERS. I AM VERY SORRY TO SAY THAT FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY REASONS IT WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE TO ADMIT ALL THE REQUESTS OF VISIT.
IN ANY CASE THE PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION OF OUR HOUSEHOLD E-CATS TO THE PUBLIC WILL BE MADE SOONER THAN EXPECTED, SINCE THE APPROVALS WILL BE FASTER THAN EXPECTED. VERY IMPORTANT NEWS ON THIS ISSUE ARE CLOSE TO BE MADE.
WARM REGARDS,
A.R.
Updated to highlight a comment from androidDeveloper (thank you)
Kullander does not have an E-cat. This is from a response about this issue:
“Det är riktigt att vi önskar få en E-cat för test och utvärdering i Uppsala. Pga en del fördröjningar har vi ännu inte fått den hit. Hälsn Sven”
Google translation:
“It is true that we wish to have an E-cat for testing and evaluation in Uppsala. Due to some delays, we have not yet received it here. Hälsn Sven
Not sure if Rossi’s answer to Piers D was loose language (perhaps he has actioned it his end but it is yet to happen in fact) or a misunderstanding. A lie would be both unnecessary and silly as the parties would soon deny the fact.
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles
http://ecatnews.com/?p=820
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When do we finally get to admit it’s a hoax?
When the folks mentioned in this article clean out the bank account and disappear. In other words, soon.
For the True Believers, it will never be a hoax. It will turn into a conspiracy theory that will last forever.
How bout reserving judgment until at least "some" evidence that it actually "is" a hoax actually appears. Right now, there is NO evidence of that, and at least some evidence in the other direction.
Until that time, I suggest actually studying the evidence that "does" exist, in the reports issued by those who attended the demonstrations, and videos and interviews covering same, instead of just popping up on these threads, bleating "it's a scam", and then disappearing.
You are not allowed to see the data, your are not allowed to reproduce the results, and you are not allowed to question the conclusions.
Doesn't that worry you a bit?
I’ve seen these things before. They never say just what this thing is, citing the amorphous “Them” who will steal their product. Ever heard of a “Patent”? Of course, if it is a scam, patents don’t apply.
Three weeks until October. I’d love for this to be real, but I expect the dates to start slipping into the future real soon now.
Still, we’ll see - and pretty quickly.
You might do a little reading and research before you jump in with condemnations.
Rossi Italian E-Cat process patent.
On the other hand, wise inventors DON'T patent industrial secrets they CAN keep secret, because patents reveal those secrets so that anyone can duplicate the process and undercut them with minor changes. That is why there are such things as TRADE SECRETS.
There are so far at least four respected nuclear physicists who have examined the E-catalyst devices and are at a loss to explain where the energy is coming from other than a low energy nuclear process.
How about not regurgitating the same speculation, rumors, and innuendo from blogs until some real news occurs?
It would appear that the danger is not that someone will reproduce the process but that no one can.
Sorry True Believers, but that sounds like the perpetual motion machine that will change the world.
“Rossi has a device that no one know how it works”
Have you ever considered that it is really not you or anyone else’s business how it works at this point.
If you were an investor perhaps, but you can’t invest in this thing if you wanted to. That in itself is kind of odd if it were a scam don’t you think? I’d invest my whole Power Ball budget in it if I could...
” I’d invest my whole Power Ball budget in it if I could...”
A fool and his money...
“A fool and his money...”
Dumb ass, it’s not like I’m going to WIN the Power Ball drawing. And I suppose YOU’VE never bought a ticket? Most people have you know...
And you are able to say what is or is not my business ...at any point? I don't think so.
Power Ball budget? Say no more. You have a better chance of hitting the big bucks than seeing one of these E-Cats!
Of course you can't invest, there's nothing to invest in, no device, no plant, no licenses, no production facilities, no business, no patents, no contracts, partners, nothing but PR and press releases.
Did you even BOTHER to click on the link to the NOBEL LAUREATE's comments I posted above? Or the link to the Italian patent Rossi has been granted on his process before you posted that statement? The device exists. The device has been tested by phycicists and the results verified. A Greek company is licensed to manufacture it and IS DOING SO, there IS A PATENT, and you post your claims based on What? From what I can tell, nothing except your unfounded skepticism.
“You have a better chance of hitting the big bucks than seeing one of these E-Cats!”
And you are sure of this because your an expert in the field? I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that.
Some well respected scientists probably agree with you, and for sure some don’t. I am a scientist(of sorts), and I don’t know. I suspect you don’t either.
Do you know what the Coulomb barrier is? How about the Gamow window? Didn’t think so...
Like I said, I don’t know if this thing will work or not, but it’s not going to cost me anything to find out. It won’t cost you anything either, so why be so negative?
I do know that nuclear fusion has been achieved by literally thousands of experimenters (some even a high school student). None of these back yard physicists have the background that Rossi has.
I also know (because it’s intuitive) that if no one tries, we will never get there.
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