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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #4 - Sep. 7, 2011 8pm/5pm: Reagan Library, CA (MSNBC)
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Posted on 09/07/2011 1:53:42 PM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: MSNBC

Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT

The Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, she earned a Master of Laws degree, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Jon Huntsman

Huntsman was Utah Governor, former ambassador to China under Barack Obama.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Rick Perry

Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.

Mitt Romney

Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.

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To: LA Woman3

I understand Debra Medina was a GOP primary candidate running against Perry, and I understand she undermined herself by refusing to say whether or not she believe the U.S. was involved in 9/11 attacks when on Beck’s show but how does Palin fit in?


1,961 posted on 09/08/2011 1:37:35 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: newzjunkey

Thank you for posting the log. It’s very useful.


1,962 posted on 09/08/2011 2:05:37 AM PDT by paudio (The 0bama Downgrade Two (a possible sequel to the current horror movie))
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To: myprecious

As a native Texas, I had rather loose a damn river than have to pay for the education, criminal, medical, and job losses incurred by not having a secure border.


Don’t see how you can be a “native Texas [sic]” and spell LOSE as “loose”.

You think it’s alright to fence off the Rio Grande that is the 1250 mile border between Texas and Mexico!?!? That would deprive the farmers and ranchers in Texas of the much needed irrigation for them to raise crops and livestock.

Also... How do you think they would be able to build a fence down the middle of the Rio Grande River (the border)?


1,963 posted on 09/08/2011 2:18:29 AM PDT by octex
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To: antceecee; Outlaw Woman

antceecee, did you know that Governor Perry’s dad was a Democrat county commissioner until 1996 and that his county voted Democrat into the mid-2000’s?


1,964 posted on 09/08/2011 2:27:28 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: antceecee

The Governor agrees with you, and was just trying to get the vaccine paid for by private insurers.

Lockjaw, measles, etc., are all up to you. As is whether you get a pap smear to test for HPV changes - that’s all that the pap smear is for.

The State Legislature made the decision. They made it harder to opt out when they revised it in 2005 to allow “opt out” for conscience and religious reasons in addition to the previous medical opt out. It seems someone had the idea to add a “security seal,” which complicated the request for the request for the paperwork.

The authority to mandate vaccines belonged to the Department of State Health Services, part of the Executive Branch.


1,965 posted on 09/08/2011 2:35:43 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.orgI've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.Patrol the border 2 control)
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To: newzjunkey

Ron Paul attacked fellow Republicans more than he attacked Obama last night.

That makes him scum in my eyes.


1,966 posted on 09/08/2011 3:14:29 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Clovis_Skeptic; All
Rick Perry was ...head of Gore’s texas campaign. So what is your point re Paul?

False. Ron Paul has it wrong.

Then a Democrat, Perry endorsed Gore in the Democratic primary. Gore's former campaign officials deny that Perry ever had any meaningful role.

Tennessee lawyer Tom Jurkovich, Gore’s Texas director, told us by email that ... "(Perry) wasn't highly involved in the campaign, however, and had zero operational responsibility."

Austin consultant George Shipley, who advised Gore’s 1988 campaign, told us in an interview that Perry "made, to my knowledge, one, possibly two press tours, but he was not what I would call that active in the campaign."

PolitiFact admitted on Wednesday they were wrong after doing more research including the quoted interviews above.

Will Ron Paul apologize to Perry?

1,967 posted on 09/08/2011 3:38:10 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: riri
Huntsman reminds me of AlGore. His creepiness. The way he talks down to everyone like they are seven.

He's very creepy. I took notice of it when he first announced his exploratory committee and visited NH. He had his Chinese-born adopted daughter with him and used her as a bizarre prop.

There's no warmth. He seems deceptive and calculating.

1,968 posted on 09/08/2011 3:51:02 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: LibertyRocks

I agree, it isn’t government’s place.

HOWEVER, I can understand the desire to motivate people to do what one considers the ‘right thing’.

In retrospect, if you could have taken preventive medication and avoided the cancer, would you have?


1,969 posted on 09/08/2011 3:55:13 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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To: The Bronze Titan
Perry just lost 98% of the senior vote.

I know you're in the tank for someone else but he did say those on Social Security and near it have nothing to worry about.

He called it a Ponzi Scheme for younger people and said we need to have a conversation about what to do about it.

1,970 posted on 09/08/2011 4:02:58 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: newzjunkey
Your correct, that's the way the government works NOW, but something needs to be done to save our future generations from the fiscal nightmare we are laying out for them.. I know it's novel and is hard to get used to, but in Cain we actually have a candidate that is willing to initiate the drastic changes needed to update the current tax system which is completely outdated.

Cain may not be the most polished candidate, but IMHO his leadership skills stand out and that's what it will take to pull off his plan as he describes it. No other candidate is offering up any other new ideas except the same old same old. We're gonna need more than simple philosophical changes to to solve our problems and right now Cain is the only candidate willing to go out on a limb and offer anything that goes beyond that.

1,971 posted on 09/08/2011 4:20:41 AM PDT by 07Jack
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To: 07Jack

And he’s the ONLY one out there who is not a “member of the permanent political class”. I expect a Sarah Palin endorsement any day now.....


1,972 posted on 09/08/2011 4:21:37 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I thought Romney was going to agree with Perry, but then he decided to lie about what Perry is proposing, and attack republicans by saying they want to abolish it.

I thought this was a telling moment about Romney's character.

1,973 posted on 09/08/2011 4:22:18 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: americanophile
Agree with every part except for Cain who gave me the exact opposite impression. Cain actually proposed solutions while every other candidate just kept repeating how bad things are and how ineffective Obama is. On a “time prorated” basis, I thought Cain offered the most substance.....now whether one agrees with his proposals is a completely different argument.
1,974 posted on 09/08/2011 4:30:17 AM PDT by 07Jack
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To: newzjunkey

Ron Paul came across as petty and mean spirited. To attack his fellow Texan, the leader of his state, to the extent he did was totally unbecoming. Especially for a candidate who doesn’t stand a chance of winning the nomination.


1,975 posted on 09/08/2011 4:33:32 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: mylife
Bull... the chicoms have a river border with the norks... one cannot possibly cross that river... the chicoms will do what is needed to stop you. If you try... they will shoot you dead... but they will wait until you are in the middle... and they do not retrieve your body. We must have an Israeli styled wall where possible... but we need to make it impossible for illegals to live in our Republic... we need to pass a law that states that if you are found in this country illegally... you CAN NEVER BECOME A CITIZEN. If you are caught more than once... you get the death penalty. Pass a law that will seize all company assets if an employer willfully employs illegals... and I am talking about mitt's mansions here too. If that does not work... invade mexico and kill enough of them off until they get the message... and take their oil and resources before we wall them back up. I HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THESE MURDERING TURD WORLD, DISEASE RIDDEN SCUMBAG ENEMIES.

LLS

1,976 posted on 09/08/2011 4:38:25 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: jamndad5
It’s that phrase “we ALLOWED an opt out” that bothers me.

There are other vaccines that you can't even opt-out of, but these are okay?

1,977 posted on 09/08/2011 4:43:55 AM PDT by Eaker ("If someone misquotes you, it's because they know you're right.")
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To: octex

I still prefer the alligators-in-the-moat (Rio Grande) as the most feasible solution to stop the invasion of ILLEGALS into America.

Stop LaRaza’s attack on America!!!!


1,978 posted on 09/08/2011 4:43:58 AM PDT by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: casinva
I agree.

Perry handles Seniors first by saying the system for them and those near retirement is find.

When Perry calls it a Ponzi Scheme he knows he's got the attention of any worker under 40. That's a lot of potential voters, including the youth voters who went for Obama last time. These are people who are more appreciative of blunt talk particularly after Obama's "Hope & Change" hot air.

My thought is this: W tried to play nice with others when he talked about fixing Social Security for younger workers. He failed miserably with his strategy. He failed so badly Democrats who had argued it was going broke before suddenly decided the program was perfect as is and Bush was a liar. It worked.

Perry's clearly not afraid of the Paul Ryan "throwing grandma off a cliff" treatment. In this climate, any politician who is afraid of it has been, in the language of the day, "owned" by intrenched interests and the opposition.

Several times in the debate Romney projected a "deer in the headlights" subservient persona. He's meek and uncertain and that will not get things fixed in Washington.

I do like Cain talking about the Chilean model.

1,979 posted on 09/08/2011 4:47:52 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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To: llandres

Let me get this straight. You want to uncap the payroll tax, but leave benefits capped?

If we did this, SS would not simply be an untenable Ponzi scheme, it would be a redistributive welfare program.


1,980 posted on 09/08/2011 4:50:55 AM PDT by oblomov
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