Tea Party chief (Jim DeMint) defends Perry 's record

His rule does not apply to non-candidates, flirting with running for office. It’s applies to the actual nominee once the primary process is over.

Now your handle is Reagan Disciple.... Disciple means follower... and this was Reagan's 11th Commandment

"Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republicans.”

Let me just state one point, I think Palin is great at getting the message out and bringing all of our issues to the forefront. I don’t doubt her conservative vaules one bit If she wants the role of king-maker I’m behind her 100%. But she’s had her time and is showing that she either doesn’t want it or knows she can’t get it. If she were to get the nomination I would back her, but she’s not my first choice. But on this site, you can’t say boo about her without being labeled a Palin Hater and those same posters here are “violating” that same principle you refer to - with the caveat that they are going after established, hard core conservatives that happen not to buy into Palinmania.

Sarah Palin gave many of US who come to this site to find out for ourselves what gets reported around this world, someone to vote for in 2008. There has been all manner of sewage slung over her because of who she is, and what she represents to the body politic of the ruling class. She is NOT one of them and after 3 years of having the bottom to the top rungs of the proverbial political ladder expressing their disdain of her has made more than a few become protective of her as a person.

Personally I have lived through three Texas presidents and after what their administrations gave or took from US I am going to spend more time in evaluating just what level of commitment this new Texan on the horizon has for US. LBJ gave US more government sponsored poverty and a legacy of how liberals fight wars. GHWB who stuck his nose in the air initially over Reagan's economics got himself cornered into having to eat his own words 'no new taxes' and then after out of office adopting old bjClinton into is inner family. GWBush was a fine war president, however, part of his campaign was just how well he got along with the liberals and even kept naming a particular Texas liberal that he had a good working relationship. Then he turned over to that now old dead lion of the Senate the project of 'fixing' public education. Liberals chewed him up and spit him out and by the time he left office that 'big tent' of the Grand Old Party was little more than a TARP. And that claim of being a 'compassionate' conservative was the willingness of not protecting our borders.

The TEA Party of today was to remind the ruling class of our beginning of no more 'taxation without representation', and so we got out and returned the peoples House back to the Republicans. And that stupid Bonehead thanks US for our work in giving him the Speaker ship, a ruling class establishment, international salute by refusing to end the abomination of BamBamKennedy's deathcare plan. WHY, well because of some 'precious' Nanny the RED Pewlousie rule.

Perry pushers for the most part play politics just like liberals, they get in ones face and then IF they are NOT able to have their way, that will brandished any and all as Obama supporters.... I simply am not going to get to worked up over another hot aired politician that once used to be algore's advance man.

Show me where, anywhere on FR, I’ve said Palin is the exception. Go ahead. I’ll wait.

What are you talking about?

Yes, we all know who Palin endorsed as well.

Got ya.

He’s the most conservative member of the Senate as ranked by ‘the National Journal’.

He also founded the Senate Conservative’s Fund in 2010 that was instrumental in providing funding to TEA party candidates when the Republican party was not.

Senators Pat Toomey, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, and Marco Rubio all got his endorsement and funding via Senate Conservative’s Fund.

So it sounds like he’s very involved in the TEA party movement and is one of the people you go to if you want to run for office on a TEA party platform (since he’s the man with the money).

You forget who we had as our crop of candidates in 2008. They *ALL* bit wind.

good points....nobody walks on water

so now Jim DeMint is a bad guy here to the nuts?

man....phew

What assurance do I have that DeMint is not entrenched in the permanent political class?

You can be reasonably assured that DeMint is part of the establishment elite. We'll find out soon enough who is and isn't when Sarah Palin gets the nomination.

So Tempest, I guess Jim DeMint isn’t a “true conservative” either, is he?

Ronaldus Magnus was more than just a former Democrat; he was "Red Ronnie" -- a socialist union activist. Reagan was a true-believing (or feeling) liberal who was mugged by reality, proving that there is no greater zealot than a true convert.
Rick Perry is like many conservative Southerners who was in politics before the 1994 Republican Revolution. In the one-party South, only Democrats got elected to statewide offices except on rare occasions. Only after the Gingrich revolution was that old relic of post-Civil War Reconstruction finally destroyed. Rick Perry's 10-year record as Governor of Texas shows that the GOP is his true home.

If we absolutely believe that no one can ever change their thinking, then why argue for any issue? Why ever try to convince anyone of anything at all?

Of course, just because someone changes their mind, doesn't mean they can actually go on to become a great conservative leader. That could NEVER happen. Ronald Reagan could NEVER happen.

Ronald Reagan is a myth.

Reagan never meant that you couldn't say anything about another Republican based on policy beliefs. If that were the case we would have to let Hunstman say what he wishes without challenge. In fact, I have not said anything ill against Palin, I simply pointed out her flaws as it pertains to her non-campaign. In fact, I praised her for her work around issues and getting them to the fore.

I understand your frustration with the establishment and see how you would gravitate to Palin.

Again, I'm not against her. My contention is that on this site it's either Palin or no one else. And if a guy like Cheney, who has questions about her intentions says so out loud, the bots here turn on him in a heartbeat. Start to excoriate a man who has done infinitely more for this country than Palin has.

That's my beef. It's not Palin, it's the mindless support of her over ALL others, including those that have actually worked to help our cause.

Perry was the anti-Reagan, post 1960s, post RoevWade, Jimmy Carter democrat, entering elective office in the same years as Reagan’s 64% sweep of Texas, and fighting to replace President Reagan with Al Gore at the height of the Cold War.

If you didn't grow up in the South prior to the 1994 Republican revolution, you cannot fully grasp what Southern politics was like at that time. While Nixon's "Southern Strategy" began to attract conservative Southerners to GOP Presidential candidates, state and local elections remained solidly within the established one-party Democrat system.

Post-Civil War Reconstruction officially ended in 1877, but the South remained crippled by Reconstruction's punitive and discriminatory effects until the late 1940s. Until then-Governor Ellis Arnall won the landmark Georgia vs. Pennsylvania Railroad Company ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court in 1945, the South was trapped in agrarian poverty by official policies that protected Northern industry and punished Southern manufacturing. Railroad tariffs charged 39% more to ship manufactured goods from the South than from the North, while only the shipment of raw goods from the South was favored. It was Republicans who enacted and maintained such discriminatory policies, and it was Democrats who opposed and finally defeated them. Several generations with bitter memories on both sides of Reconstruction had to die off before the GOP and the South could be reconciled.

This reconciliation began slowly, with early GOP forays into the South by Hoover and then Goldwater and Nixon. Nixon recognized that the South was very Conservative and that conservative Southerners were becoming disenchanted with the Leftward drift of the national Democrat Party -- not yet enough to build a viable GOP in the South, but perhaps enough to attract conservative Democrats to GOP Presidential candidates. A handful of conservative Democrats switched to the GOP, but two essential elements were still required to build a viable GOP in the South: the continued Leftward drift of the national Democrats, and Time.

That time finally came after eight years of Ronald Reagan's inspired and principled Conservative leadership. More and more Southerners -- most too young to remember the pre-WWII remnants of Reconstruction -- became comfortable with the GOP and with calling themselves Republicans. More GOP candidates were elected in down-ballot races, and more conservative Democrats switched to the GOP. The dam finally broke in 1994 with the Gingrich-led revolution, and the final death of the Democrat Party in the South came just this year when the last Conservative rural whites left the Democrat parties of Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi. What now remains of the Democrat Party in the South is an odd, shifting alliance of true-believing Socialists, idealistic and economically-ignorant students and young adults, and government-dependent Blacks.

The point of my reply is this... Most of today's leaders in the Southern GOP are former Democrats -- and they are among the most Conservative Republicans in the nation. They were Democrats when there was no alternative in the South, and when winning a Democrat primary was tantamount to election. A few switched early while many fought to regain their party, and some fought longer than others before coming over to their natural philosophical home. Like Reagan, the former union activist who discovered his true home, today's Southern Republicans as a group are the most Conservative of all Republicans. They belong here as much as we old-timers do.

Q: Should undocumented immigrants all should be deported?

Sarah Palin: There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant - there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants - not only economically is that just an impossibility but that’s not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue.

Q: Do you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

Sarah Palin: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

Source: Univision Interview with Sarah Palin, by Jorge Ramos Oct 26, 2008

Oh... the Univision interview- again. I guess you missed my ping to you the other day, huh Sparky?

Here, let me update you, k?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,592942,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, now, I know that your past as governor of Alaska didn’t — was not the same time that Governor Jan Brewer of Arizona has gotten into office, but I assume that sort of governor to governor...
PALIN: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: What’s your thought on the heat that she’s taking over this statute?
PALIN: I’m proud of Jan Brewer for standing up for the constituents in her state, sending a message to Washington, sending a message to President Obama saying, Hey, you need to do your job, sir. And if you’re not going to do it, OK, then we are compelled to do the job for you until you get it right.
President Obama has been suspiciously silent on this issue, hasn’t he? We don’t even know where he stands on immigration reform or securing our borders. He doesn’t talk about it. He gets to punt on that one. And that’s unfortunate because this is a big issue. It’s all about national security. It’s about our sister border states that are inundated with violence and with crime because people illegally crossing the border, engaging in illegal activities for too long now. And some of these border states are saying, Now we’ve had enough. I admire Jan Brewer for taking a stand.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why do you think — I mean, for 20-some years, maybe even longer, even going back to President Reagan — everyone has always said, We’re going to secure the borders.
PALIN: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Nobody has done anything. I mean, or almost nothing.
PALIN: Because they’ve made it political and they haven’t understood that unsecure borders isn’t fair to anybody. It’s not fair to American citizens who ware here legally, paying taxes, following the rules, doing all the things that an American citizen is expected to do. It’s not fair to them. But it’s not fair to the illegal aliens, either, here. They want to come pursue an American dream. Some of them do want to be here to work. But they’re forever going to have to hide because, you know, government’s going to crack down on them when (INAUDIBLE)
So they need to follow that path of legal citizenship, obviously. But these politicians, presidents in the past who have not secured the border, they’ve made it a political issue. They haven’t wanted to tick off a potential base of Hispanic voters, so they haven’t made the tough decisions. And that’s no way to solve the problem. That’s no way to solve any challenge in America, by ducking and hiding and creating division and making these partisan issues out of it.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, we have still more with Governor Sarah Palin. Governor Palin is blunt about what she would do about illegal immigration. She’s going to tell you.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
VAN SUSTEREN: Continuing with former governor Sarah Palin on illegal immigration.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
VAN SUSTEREN: Both parties have made promises. I mean, we pull up sound bites where, you know, both sides, you know, Democrat, Republicans, say, you know, Secure the border, secure the border. And then once in office, we certainly don’t see a whole lot of action. Had the election gone another way, or even if you were president, what would you do about immigration?
PALIN: The very first thing is literally secure the border!
VAN SUSTEREN: How?
PALIN: People mock the idea of a fence. What’s wrong with building a fence? Yes, let’s physically secure the border. Let’s ramp up border control. Let’s provide the tools for those who are putting their lives on the line in order to stop illegal immigration of these aliens. Those are a couple of things.
And then you don’t start talking about amnesty, either, kind of as this last-minute, Oh, anybody who’s here in the country right now, we’re going to provide you amnesty, and even though you’ve broken the law and we are a nation of laws, you’ve broken that, we’ll still give you — because then there’s going to be a huge influx of those wanting kind of at the last minute to come over the border because they know that they will forever then receive that amnesty.
So you don’t start talking about that, but the very first thing you do is physically, literally secure those borders. It baffles me and most Americans why for all these years presidents, administrations have spoken about it but never done it.

How about this?

Or this one

Here are the facts: Rick Perry has had 10 years to reduce illegal immigration in Texas and has only fostered a climate to attract more of them.

FACT: Arizona law not right for Texas

FACT: The number of illegals in Texas has increased.

FACT: Number of illegals getting in-state tuition is on the rise

And how about this?

VOTERS WANT TO KNOW: Is Texas Governor Perry responsible for the savage Zetas expanding their growing drug empire inside the US, from Big D--Dallas? ANSWER: It's a stupid question. Everybody in Texas knows Perry is definitely NOT responsible for what happens in his state, and on his watch. Besides, would any reasonable person want Rick Perry to do something about the Zetas and risk getting beheaded---with all that nice hair? Course not.

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW that the Zetas ‘gulf Cartel, is a former "special forces unit" of the Mexican Army. The Zetas signature savagery is beheadings for those who d-a-r-e try to stop them. The Zetas have been in operation for years and years, and, thanks to all the US dollars they pocketed in Texas (legal and illegal), they have recently been recruiting openly in Mexico.

PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS In the border city of Reynosa a banner reads, “Former soldiers sought to join armed group; good pay, $500,” “The Zetas operations group wants you, soldier or ex-soldier.”

PERRY DID NOT KNOW that Mexican authorities said the border signs were probably an attempt to "demoralize the soldiers and police," rather than a serious recruiting effort.

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS
A Zeta Narcorepublic?
IBD Editorials ^ | July 27, 2011 | Staff
FR Posted by Kaslin

Mexico's drug cartel, the savage Zetas, have drawn a bead on Guatemala's 2011 presidential election, and former US officials say the cartel is stockpiling arms to do the same to Mexico in its 2012 election. Is there a White House plan? Smuggling military-grade weapons from Fort Worth through El Paso and Columbus, New Mexico, the Mexican cartel known as Los Zetas may be doing so not just to fight other cartels but to disrupt Mexico's 2012 election, according to report quoting former officials in the El Paso Times that ran July 13.

Phil Jordan, a former director of El Paso's DEA Intelligence Center, and Robert "Tosh" Plumlee, a former CIA contract pilot, warned that Mexico's democracy could be in jeopardy as weapons sold through the US Direct Commercial Sales program may end up with Zeta front groups. Last year, $416.5 million in sales went to Mexico through this program. That corresponds to a similar warning from Mexico City on Wednesday. Guatemala's President Alvaro Colom said the Zetas pose a "serious threat" to Guatemala's democracy as it nears its Sept. 11 election.

Could two nations past our southern border go down to the Zetas and become narcostates? Obviously the cartels think so, based on the weapons they're trying to bring in — anti-aircraft missiles, grenade launchers, assault rifles, body armor and night vision goggles. (There has been no serious response from anywhere in the US). Read more at investors.com .......

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS Using deceit and guile, Mexico, and other South and Central American countries, have infiltrated the US political system, from domestic to foreign policy, and even L/E. These govts are sending millions of Reconquista shock troops over the border.....they are "voting blocs" trained to use the American system of govt for their own nefarious purposes, primed to take over the US.

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS
Mexican Cartels Manufacture and Deploy 'Narco Tanks' in Ever-Escalating Drug War
FR posted by Reaganite Republican

What to do when RPG's, AR-15s, and land-mines can't kill your rivals fast enough? When the mass-graves and gory piles of severed heads don't spook 'em like they used to? How about some narco tanks, vato...? In a multi-lateral conflict that keeps getting worse as Mexican drug cartels war over control of lucrative smuggling routes, government forces have captured two jerry-rigged "tanks" in separate incidences: built on American truck chassis and protected by heavy, sloping armor and bulletproof glass, the media in Mexico has been quick to dub them the "Monsters".

Although they more closely resemble a homemade APC, the ungainly vehicles are heavily armed, with rotating gun turrets, rams, myriad gun ports, devices that pour oil or nails on the road... think Mad Max meets James Bond. They are soundproofed and air-conditioned, can carry 12-20 armed men, and are built to withstand up to .50 caliber weaponry or a grenade blast.

While these 'narco tanks' are not tracked vehicles, they cartels have created some pretty formidable contraptions here, whatever you want to call them. To this point, they have not been used against Mexican troops, but only to attack and intimidate rivals... Of course, Mexican and Columbian drug mafias have previously produced homemade, one-use (throw away) submarines to bring cocaine to North American markets, and just last year snapped-up large passenger jets at auction prices only to dump them in the African desert packed with cocaine bound for Europe... so nothing should surprise us coming from these people anymore.

Alas, the human cost has been ghastly: the ongoing drug war in Mexico has already killed five times more people than US fatalities for the whole of the Iraq War... even record busts/confiscations can't seem to put a dent in the perpetual carnage on America's southern border.......

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PERRY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE ZETAS
All Gov Perry did was (1) suckup to the Mexican govt, (2) insist on open borders, and, (3) entice the drug cartels over the border with lots of tax-subsidized giveaways.

GOOD HAIR BUDDIES----PERRY WITH MEXICO'S PRES VICENTE FOX

At a 2001 "border summit" in which he sucked up to Mexicans-----Perry advanced a “bi-national health insurance” program that would cover both US and Mexican residents along the border....including Zetas. Perry praised a “unified,” trans-national health care program. and was ready, willing and eager to pour US dollars on illegals violating US borders.....including Zetas, and those on the border organizing against the US.

One can only imagine what Perry plans to do should he ever get federal power.

Hey Sparkless, are those quotes from the Univision interview accurate or not?

Why don’t you try reading the posts again, sweetheart. Maybe watch a video or two.