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EPA's Planned Phaseout of Harmful Refrigerant Hits Snag [R-22]
NY Times ^ | Published: August 18, 2011 | By GABRIEL NELSON of Greenwire

Posted on 08/30/2011 7:12:18 AM PDT by Red Badger

Eighteen months after the Obama administration came out with new rules to stop refrigerants in air conditioners from thinning the Earth's protective ozone layer, an unexpected quirk has divided the industry and could have implications for the atmosphere.

Much of the equipment being installed in American homes is still getting its cooling power from an ozone-depleting gas that was supposed to be phased out, says a group of disgruntled appliance makers, including the makers of Carrier and Trane air conditioners.

Five companies wrote a letter (pdf) to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson this week saying the agency inadvertently left a loophole in a 2009 rule to enforce the Montreal Protocol, a 1989 treaty crafted to repair the hole in the ozone layer.

The treaty requires the United States to cut its consumption of hydrochlorofluorocarbon-22, or HCFC-22, a refrigerant widely used in air conditioners for decades, by 90 percent from baseline levels by 2015 and eliminate its use entirely by 2030. That means all air conditioners will eventually need to stop using the refrigerant, also known as R-22, in favor of another gas called R-410A.

But after the rules (pdf) came out in late 2009, a few companies realized they could make the old models "dry" -- meaning the refrigerant is not included -- and market them as a lower-cost option for homeowners and businesses with broken air conditioning systems.

Despite the EPA rules, air conditioning units that need HCFC-22 now make up 10 to 20 percent of all sales, according to industry estimates. Just about everyone is making the R-22 air conditioners again and selling them dry under the pressure of market forces.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: airconditioner; freon; ozonehole; r22
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To: Red Badger
the Montreal Protocol, a 1989 treaty crafted to repair the hole in the ozone layer.

I thought the ozone hole was caused by Mount Erebus - Antarctic Volcano

Of the volcanoes, only Erebus remains active. At 3794 meters, Mount Erebus is the highest point on Ross Island and the largest, most active volcano on the Antarctic continent.


41 posted on 08/30/2011 1:28:44 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: dila813

Older houses generally were ducted for straight heat application, and required less air flow. (To a point, you just got warmer air out of the ducts....if it was too restrictive, the furnace would malfunction).

With the advent of central cooling and heat pumps, those duct systems had to be improved. Modern duct systems use perimeter supply ducts and a centrally located return. Many of the older system used exactly the opposite...multiple small returns on the outside walls and the supply registers on the interior.

Sounds like what happened in your house!


42 posted on 08/30/2011 3:14:59 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: smokingfrog

Honeywell has a vested interest in R410a also. Here is a quick link to a system tested in high ambient temps with R22 vs. R410a,

http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build02/PDF/b02186.pdf

The R410a was noticeably less efficient. Under perfect lab temps, Honeywell might be able to show the result quoted, but in real life, it is a poor substitute for R22.


43 posted on 08/30/2011 3:20:37 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: smokingfrog; dila813

Sorry smoking, I didn’t see your response to dila...thats what I get for just checking pings and not the thread.

You’re spot on.


44 posted on 08/30/2011 3:23:44 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun

I always figured the 410a would be less efficient, just based on the fact that the pressures are higher, which would require the compressor to work harder, but I don’t really understand all the technical details. Unless one type of refrigerant is supposed to magically absorb more heat from the air than some other type? It seems like they are fairly equal up to 95 degrees or so, which is what all air conditioning units are rated for.


45 posted on 08/30/2011 4:24:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

I’m not an engineer, so I can’t enlighten you much on the details....it is complicated.

The physical attributes of the refrigerant play a very important role i.e. specific gravity, boiling point, etc.

In fact, R410a is a zeotropic blend of refrigerants to give an acceptable performance, whereas R22 is a compound.

I base my claim of the lower efficiency based on discussions with engineers at a couple of the large HVAC mfgs other than Carrier when the R410a units were in design.


46 posted on 08/30/2011 4:41:13 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: KarlInOhio

You’re right. You shouldn’t need new duct. But you will need a new evaporator coil or a txv valve added to the existing coil. Gets expensive.


47 posted on 08/30/2011 9:13:55 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: dila813
...and duct work...

Oh?

48 posted on 09/10/2011 4:09:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: RicocheT
I was told by an appliance dealer that the new refrigerators and freezers don’t work well out in an unheated space in cold as we have it in Wisconsin. Is that correct?

No.

With less temperature differential, they'd work LESS hard!

49 posted on 09/10/2011 4:14:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Red Badger

The difference between R-22 to R-410 is the pressure. R-22 ran at a lower pressure so your line set (pipes to your air handling unit) did not have to be that tight. With R-410 it is more important to have good connections so no leaks.
You duct work excluding the coil does not have to be changed but if it is old you should make sure it is tight. If not you are cooling off your attic and crawl spaces.
I always suspected the gas change was a scam.


50 posted on 09/10/2011 4:38:26 AM PDT by shoff (Cuomo is going to change the NY state motto from Excelsior to elixir (cause we bought it)
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