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1 posted on 08/15/2011 6:15:31 AM PDT by Kaslin
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>>>>>>the lizards like pipelines and service roads: “…pipeline cuts and sand roads serve as preferred habitat…

don’tcha love it when the animals like high tech as much as most humans?


2 posted on 08/15/2011 6:21:29 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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We can talk about cutting back agencies all we want, but until we change the ESA, Clean Water and Clean Air acts to fix these deficiencies, we’re spitting in the wind.


3 posted on 08/15/2011 6:22:02 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Obama/Biden '12: No hope and chump change.)
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To: Kaslin
I knew a man years ago who owned two lots in the keys - I think Key Largo - definitely not Key West... Anyhow, some liberal 'enviromentialist' wanted to buy the land and the man refused to sell. A few months later a endangered lizard or something like that was found on the property and development was denied. The man kept the land for 20 years - died of cancer without selling - his land had been made worthless to him. What he got out of owning the land was the right to pay taxes on it.

Liberals see beautiful land and rather than saving to buy it - or putting a purchase to a vote ... they steal the land with some bogus 'endangered' animal...

4 posted on 08/15/2011 6:24:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (England.... From Royal fairytale to banana republic in one summer. - - Allister Heath)
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Bookmark for later read.


5 posted on 08/15/2011 6:28:16 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Environmental groups are raping the American taxpayer as they insist on imposing their view of the new world order on the rest of us. The wolves have been breaking the back of western ranchers, let’s hope this finally breaks the ESA law. A mouse was restrored to endangered species protection in wheat fields in Wyoming, they are also protected in Colorado....WHY?
Ending food and energy production is a big part of the environmental movement and we need to figure out why, in the meantime take the ESA tool away.


6 posted on 08/15/2011 6:28:56 AM PDT by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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I just found out that the Iowa flooding was caused by the corps of engineers being told to hold the water behind the dams (when they should have released it earlier and more slowly) in order for some sturgeon to finish spawning. So, we destroyed millions of acres of crops & farmland & miles of highways so a fish could breed.

This is what you get when you view humans as just another animal on this planet.


7 posted on 08/15/2011 6:29:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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I once lived in a town that wanted to expand its railroad station. They were blocked because some rare salamander was discovered living in the area where they wanted to expand. About a year later, a developer on the other side of town tried to build a shopping center. Unfortunately, that rare salamader was also found over in that area as well.

I live a couple town over now, and you know what? I've got that rare salamander in my backyard -- but I keep my mouth shut about it.

10 posted on 08/15/2011 6:31:58 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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As they used to say, "We have been practiced upon".

Environment, politics, sex, marriage, birth control, abortion, art, movies, novels, education, ... we have been practiced upon.

Should we not have a clue by now? Anything said by anyone about how we should change to make things better is most likely wrong. And the one saying it is either an useful idiot or is practicing upon us.

14 posted on 08/15/2011 6:38:55 AM PDT by hfr (Liberalism is a moral disorder that leads to mental disorder)
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Environmentalism is the religion of the left. It needs to be declared as such and the “separation clause” enforced prohibiting them from any governmental involvement.


17 posted on 08/15/2011 6:43:52 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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The way to protect ‘endangered’ species is to cross-breed them with related species, not to try to control the environment.

We can’t control the weather, much less the climate and certainly not the environment.


22 posted on 08/15/2011 6:57:07 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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The Outer Banks of North Carolina (OBX) is going through the same thing, closing ORV in order to “save” a bird that is not endangered. Businesses are going under, people are not allowed to fish at the “Cape Point” during nesting times and generations of traditions are going under. The NPS has authorized or killed animlas themsilves in the thousands, in order to keep the predators away from the eggs on the beach. The Audobon and D.O.W. want NO HUMAN activity on the OBX.

Some animals are more equal than others...


23 posted on 08/15/2011 7:11:28 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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The EPA, brought to us by the same Richard Nixon the left vilify, has been an incredibly effective tool for them to ply their criminal activity.


26 posted on 08/15/2011 7:26:07 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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The corruption attendant to ESA listings is nothing new. I wrote a book ten years ago exposing exactly such cases that have cost close to three billion in direct government expenses but many times that in losses to the economy.

Without a competing private management system (such as mine), this will never get any better, as the conflicts of interest inherent to political control of natural resources will never endure any check that might mitigate either agency, university, or activist behavior.

27 posted on 08/15/2011 7:26:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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99.9% of all species that have ever existed on this planet are extinct.


30 posted on 08/15/2011 7:36:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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I wonder how much of our "science" is fraudulent?
32 posted on 08/15/2011 7:39:07 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason (“I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat")
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Environmentalists cheat.

The environmentalists "reintroduced" the lynx in Colorado (questionable that it ever ranged here), then proceeded to block off huge areas by finding lynx hair in fences and on rubbing trees, and using it to claim critical habitat. Somebody checked the DNA of the hair against a museum sample, and lo and behold, it was all the same DNA ! The hair on the rubbing posts had been planted, by the very people who were conducting the studies, and making the habitat decisions.

This has also happened with endangered plants ( people have been seen transplanting them), and of course when you get down to the insect level, it's pretty easy to plant populations wherever you need one.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar, rampant level of fraud in the "science".

PS the reintroduced lynx all tried to go back to Canada from whence they were removed. They didn't like Colorado, nor did they appreciate being relocated from their homes and families.

33 posted on 08/15/2011 7:40:43 AM PDT by Red Boots
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Twenty years ago I lived in and also had an investment lot in a tract home development near Navarre, in the Florida Panhandle. The real estate agents called the surrounding swamp “Greenbrakes” (cough). When we dug a hole for the mailbox, we hit water at two feet.

At that time, “wetland” was defined as a place where your footstep filled with water after X amount of minutes. Some years later it was expanded to include right AFTER a rainstorm. I expected the next step would be DURING and bailed out.

The universe isn’t the only thing constantly expanding.


34 posted on 08/15/2011 7:45:51 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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One of my favorite examples of stupidity concerns milkweed and the Monarch Butterfly. A lot of schools get kits that allow them to raise butterflies and see them go from caterpillar to butterfly. But they have to kill the butterflies rather than release them because butterflies feed on milkweed, which is listed as an endangered plant species.

So rather than take the common-sense approach of shipping milkweed seed packets to each school, and having kids plant milkweed in their back yards for butterflies (which would take milkweed off the endangered species list real fast), they have to kill the butterflies.

36 posted on 08/15/2011 8:08:20 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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It is past time for opponents of some of the crazy endangered species rules to organize independent scientific peer review groups to expose this systematic fraud.

Rallies do no good. We must hold the bureaucrats accountable through scientific reveiw.


39 posted on 08/15/2011 9:16:20 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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When one has heard, read stories of the “scientists”, their environmental entourages, and their taxpayer funded field trips where they sit around drinking beer, playing cards, and finally pass around official looking score cards to fill out how many spotted owls each of them has seen during their sortie into the woods, one must presume those owls were spotted cavorting about with Pink Elephants, and Unicorns.


41 posted on 08/15/2011 9:30:36 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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