Bachman wins Iowa Straw Poll. Paul second. Pawlenty third. Romney fourth, er, seventh.

[DRey]

Bachman bests Paul. Pawlenty third. Romney fourth. Works for me!

[Rummyfan]

I’d be very happy with Michelle Bachman as President.

[FrogMom]

I am so sick of their mob pests as well and their sick pig-like howls of “tax the rich!”, these are the pigs who have hurt and endangered my family, who simply want to steal from others and put our great nation in even further debt, these hogs are the selfish cockroaches who make it very clear in their pathetic, selfish, childish, brutish and bratish ways that it isn’t a question of a problem of others (translate, me and my family) “paying their fair share” (to the government class and the welfare class, and the illegals), rather it is a problem of those who have “taken MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE” which means everyone of these brats and I am coming for them, I want my money back, my money back for poor service, for a poor product, and from leaches who stole it from me.

YES!

[wrhssaxensemble]

Please don’t hate me over this but.....

Let it be known that as much as I HATE Obamarxssiah I will be voting for him if Bachmann wins the primary. I’m as conservative as the rest of you but the fact of the matter is no one (there is an arguable case for Garfield but even that was after he was elected to the Senate) who went straight from the US House to the presidency. She stands no chance against Obama and Obama would be guaranteed a second term. So why would I hold my nose (very tightly) and vote for Obama if she is the nominee? Simple. She’s accomplished NOTHING. She, just like Obama, would be an awful president because both lack any actual leadership experience. The difference though is a failure by a conservative such as Bachmann will be triumphed by the Left and the media for decades as the failure of conservatism when in reality it is just her inadequate leadership. Thus, even if (a big if)she did somehow win the general election she would do more damage to the conservative cause while not greatly improving our nation. We’d be better off focusing on the senate and house and supporting Obama than voting for her. A vote for Bachmann now is already essentially a vote for Obama in November 2012. WAKE UP MY FELLOW CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS, WE MUST GIVE THE NOMINATION TO SOMEONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY BEAT OBAMA. WE MAY HAVE TO SACRIFICE A LITTLE ON OUR IDEALS (BUT NOT TOO MUCH) OTHERWISE WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING FAR WORSE: a second Obama term. We need to find someone who will both present the conservative view but also has the leadership ability to serve as president. Who that is is beyond me right now but it’s not a US Congressmen, and it is certainly not Congresswoman Bachmann.

[wrhssaxensemble]

Please don’t hate me over this but.....

Let it be known that as much as I HATE Obamarxssiah I will be voting for him if Bachmann wins the primary. I’m as conservative as the rest of you but the fact of the matter is no one (there is an arguable case for Garfield but even that was after he was elected to the Senate) who went straight from the US House to the presidency. She stands no chance against Obama and Obama would be guaranteed a second term. So why would I hold my nose (very tightly) and vote for Obama if she is the nominee? Simple. She’s accomplished NOTHING. She, just like Obama, would be an awful president because both lack any actual leadership experience. The difference though is a failure by a conservative such as Bachmann will be triumphed by the Left and the media for decades as the failure of conservatism when in reality it is just her inadequate leadership. Thus, even if (a big if)she did somehow win the general election she would do more damage to the conservative cause while not greatly improving our nation. We’d be better off focusing on the senate and house and supporting Obama than voting for her. A vote for Bachmann now is already essentially a vote for Obama in November 2012. WAKE UP MY FELLOW CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS, WE MUST GIVE THE NOMINATION TO SOMEONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY BEAT OBAMA. WE MAY HAVE TO SACRIFICE A LITTLE ON OUR IDEALS (BUT NOT TOO MUCH) OTHERWISE WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING FAR WORSE: a second Obama term. We need to find someone who will both present the conservative view but also has the leadership ability to serve as president. Who that is is beyond me right now but it’s not a US Congressmen, and it is certainly not Congresswoman Bachmann.

[dools0007world]

I bet you know more about what’s in Palin’s mind than she does.

[FUBO]

Sorry... saying please doesn’t help.

Anyone who votes for Barry is to be hated, at the very least.

[wrhssaxensemble]

Believe me it’s not my first choice by any stretch. I want him out ASAP and have since the second it would look like he would be elected. But Bachmann will do, due to her lack of leadership experience, great damage to the conservative movement and the country if she somehow miraculously became president. The fact of the matter is while her and Obama come from different places politically both would be (or is in the case of Obama) massive failures as presidents for largely the same reasons. I haven’t decided who the GOP put up but it needs someone who is a. electable (Bachmann isn’t) and b. has leadership experience (Bachmann has none). Otherwise you end up with nothing more than a right-wing incompetent mirroring left-wing incompetent Obama and destruction of the country continues unabated as conservatives receive all the blame.

[FUBO]

Every election cycle it becomes harder and harder for me to handle this forum because NO ONE is Conservative enough for many people here. Reagan wouldn’t have pleased a lot of people.

I’m not sure who is the “most conservative” out there, but I do know swing voters and independents probably won’t vote for him or her.

Of course this talk of Bachmann is a waste any way as Mittens will win the nomination and Obama will buy enough votes in battleground states to win anyway.

[Theodore R.]

Any votes for Romney is too many for me. He remains the frontrunner, as he did not compete in this straw poll. Many Republican voters have heard only of Romney and have no knowledge of other candidates.

[Theodore R.]

Any votes for Romney is too many for me. He remains the frontrunner, as he did not compete in this straw poll. Many Republican voters have heard only of Romney and have no knowledge of other candidates.

[South40]

Hi BUGS. Paul is conservative in a lot of areas but his desire to legalize drugs, his desire to abandon our only ally in the Middle East, Israel, and his cut and run strategy for our military make him a kook in the minds of many.

Hope that helps.

[DE50AE]

Please don’t hate me over this but..... Let it be known that as much as I HATE Obamarxssiah I will be voting for him if Bachmann wins the primary…

As FUBO said, saying “please” doesn’t help. Did you just hear what you just said… FRiend ??

Consider this. Supposing obama (lower case intentional) and Mrs. Bachman were equally qualified - or equally inexperienced. The difference would be that one of them is DELIBERATELY trying to destroy our country, while one of them would be DELIBERATELY trying to save our country. Should the latter fail in her endeavor as a result of said inexperience, I still would not regret my vote for her.

I understand your frustration, but I still think that Mrs. Bachman is electable if she becomes the nominee. You must know that the alternative is unthinkable, unacceptable, and will be proof that God has discarded our country as unworthy to be saved. Rather than say you would vote for the worst president in the history of the universe it might be better if you spread the following message among any liberals you may encounter:

Number 1: If you voted for obama in 2008, you were either (A) misinformed or ignorant to the point of being irresponsible to your country (it‘s not like the information wasn‘t out there), or (B) informed and purposefully trying to harm our country.

Number 2: Now, after three years of his “track record”, if you were to still support or vote for him, NO MATTER WHO he is running against, you are a clear and established enemy of our country and I would ask you to just move to somewhere else on the planet, otherwise “downrange“ might be your last known location if things get really really bad.

[tioga]

so you already voted for Obama and you would give us another FOUR YEARS of MISERY? Gee thanks.....ABTW, you don’t belong of this site if you sell out so easily to Obama. Grow a pair and vote for anyone who runs against theO. The only guarantee is that another four years of this will ruin this country, give us a chance.

[tioga]

Fred didn’t want it.......sadly, I concluded that there was some truth to the position that he got in to help McCain...as that is what happened.

[wrhssaxensemble]

Have you read any of the posts I have made on here since I joined back in (I think) 2005? Clearly not.

“so you already voted for Obama”— Wrong. I vote for McCain and I did it largely because of Palin and avoiding the election of Obama. Just because I realize Bachmann will be a terrible president doesnt mean I supported or support Obama at all.

“ABTW, you don’t belong of this site if you sell out so easily to Obama. Grow a pair and vote for anyone who runs against theO.”-— read what I wrote. I fully believe Bachmann as president will also harm both the country and the cause of conservatism. So the question is inadequate leftist leadership which can be properly blamed on Leftist ideology (obama) or incompetent leadership that will be improperly blamed on conservatism (Bachmann as president). Sorry if I would prefer not to destroy our ideological bases when either candidate would ultimately give us crappy leadership.

” The only guarantee is that another four years of this will ruin this country, give us a chance.” Again get your head out of your ass and read what I wrote. Give “us”- I am a conservative. I can’t stand Obama. But Bachmann will also be incompetent and destroy the cause of conservatism in the process while Obama will destroy but show the fallacies of socialism

[wrhssaxensemble]

“The difference would be that one of them is DELIBERATELY trying to destroy our country, while one of them would be DELIBERATELY trying to save our country. Should the latter fail in her endeavor as a result of said inexperience, I still would not regret my vote for her.” Very true. However, I fear both will ultimately prove incompetent as leaders. At least Obama won’t destroy the cause of limited government in the process while Bachmann likely would. Look at the Bush presidency. While he was conservative on social issues, he was hardly a conservative. Yet his presidency tarnished the name of conservatism to a lot of people (I think this is largely what happened with 2006 and 2008). Now imagine how bad it would be with a REAL conservative like Bachmann in when said individual shows incompetent leadership (as I suspect given her limited experience she must). The blame for conservatism will never end. So you see it as thus: a vote for obama which is a vote for america being bad for a few more years and probably the ultimate destruction of American socialist thought (his supporters are already coming apart as it is) and his incompetence keeping the damage from getting too too excessive particularly if conservatives control both houses v. Bachmann’s incompetence and conservatism taking the blame for maybe decades for the potential destruction from it.

“Rather than say you would vote for the worst president in the history of the universe it might be better if you spread the following message among any liberals you may encounter:

Number 1: If you voted for obama in 2008, you were either (A) misinformed or ignorant to the point of being irresponsible to your country (it‘s not like the information wasn‘t out there), or (B) informed and purposefully trying to harm our country.

Number 2: Now, after three years of his “track record”, if you were to still support or vote for him, NO MATTER WHO he is running against, you are a clear and established enemy of our country and I would ask you to just move to somewhere else on the planet, otherwise “downrange“ might be your last known location if things get really really bad.”-— believe me I’m telling my leftist friends this but I’m telling you that if Bachmann becomes president just as much damage will be done to our country due to her own incompetencies and she’d destroy the conservative movement in the process. I pray to god she doesn’t get the nomination as I refused to vote for Obama in 08 and am even less likely to do so now but when the choice comes to destroying the country and making socialism (correctly) look bad v. destroying the country and making conservatism look bad, I’m opting for the former.

[tioga]

huh, you would sell us all out because YOUR candidate didn’t get picked........I may have held my nose and pulled the lever for McCain, but I would NEVER vote for O EVER. You said you would. Get YOUR head out of your own behind. Your plan is a recipe for an EPIC FAIL. Bachman and Palin are the only ones out there espousing MY principals and values. I am not giving up on MY platform.

BTW, you should not speak to ladies like that.

[wrhssaxensemble]

My candidate? I dont have a candidate. I just know a congressperson with NO executive experience isn’t the solution. It has nothing to do with anyone else. I’m not backing anyone specifically right now.

I don’t want to vote for Obama either. It makes me cringe. But I refuse to destroy conservatism on the road to an equally inadequate leadership. And it’s not a platform thing. It’s an experience thing. Bachmann has no leadership experience. She’d be the first congressperson to go directly to the White House. You too are misrepresenting what I’ve said (although I don’t think in your case- unlike hers where she accused me of always being an Obama supporter when I can’t stand the guy). I have no problems with the platforms Bachmann or Palin espouse. I agree with you. BUT Bachmann lacks the experience to be a good leader. That’s all. The lack of experience would lead to a catastrophe of a presidency and it would all be blamed (wrongfully) on conservatism. Conservatives would suffer for years from it.

[tioga]

your argument that it will destroy conservatism fails the smell test. it could happen, heck Bush almost did it all by himself, but that does NOT mean I will risk four more years of theO. that I KNOW will destroy my country.

[wrhssaxensemble]

And how does it fail? My argument breaks down to the following:

1. A good president has at least some experience in either an executive position or a substantial role in drafting their own legislation.

2. Bachmann while doing a great job in Congress, has no executive experience and has authored no major bills

4. Whenever the media or the Left gets a chance to blame conservatism they will and a lot of the American people follow them (look at the 06 and 08 elections).

5. If an incompetent truly conservative president held power conservatism would be heavily and wrongfully blamed for it.

Bachmann’s lack of sufficient experience would therefore lead to the improper blaming of conservatism for any inadequate leadership on her part.