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American Collapse
National Review ^ | August 6, 2011 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/07/2011 9:40:21 AM PDT by george76

Barack Obama is offering us a Latin-American future.

Unless things change, the man (or woman) elected in 2012 will be the last American president to preside over the world’s leading economy. If things get really bad, he will find himself presiding over the early stages of American collapse. Not “decline” but “collapse.” “Decline” is what happens when you’re Britain in the 1940s, and you cede global dominance to a major ally that shares your language, legal system, cultural inheritance, and broad geopolitical objectives. That deal isn’t on offer this time round.

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In the real world, debt ceilings are determined by the lenders, not the borrowers. In March, Pimco (which manages the world’s largest mutual fund) calculated that 70 percent of U.S. Treasury debt is being bought by the Federal Reserve.

So under the 2011 budget, every hour of every day, the United States government spends $188 million it doesn’t have, $130 million of which is “borrowed” from itself. There’s nobody else out there.

In other words, however Congress votes, we’re rubbing up against the real debt ceiling — the willingness of the world to continue bankrolling American debauchery.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americandebauchery; debauchery; debt; debtceiling; economy; planners; police; teachers
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To: george76

The basic problem is political which leads to a ruined economy. The American people have lost their way. One glance at what is in the White House proves the aforementioned.


21 posted on 08/07/2011 10:20:36 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Navy Patriot

Unless the Obama is willing to kill creditors and confiscate wealth at gunpoint - literally - the only option is hyperinflation.


22 posted on 08/07/2011 10:24:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: sinanju
With respect, I think you underestimate politics. By the time the Dems are done spewing class warfare, racial and social division, and fear mongering potential entitlement cuts, these people will return to vote to protect themselves from the real danger - the Tea Party and rich Republican corporatists. This will be an outrageously ugly campaign. Mark my words.

Our best hope is he simply doesn't get as many of them; enough to get a credible GOP candidate (if we can find one) squeak by.

23 posted on 08/07/2011 10:25:03 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: george76
Obama will be the last 'American president to preside over the world’s leading economy".

I thought corrupt dems could buy off the collapse by 'pulling out their maxed out credit cars' but it looks like that's not going to work. The end of our great nation will be at the hands of 'give it all away' dems. May they reap what they sown...

24 posted on 08/07/2011 10:29:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (The U.S. is BROKE - dems GAVE AWAY our wealth to buy the votes of their victim group supporters.)
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To: george76
Obama will be the last 'American president to preside over the world’s leading economy".

I thought corrupt dems could buy off the collapse by 'pulling out their maxed out credit cards' but it looks like that's not going to work.

The end of our great nation will be at the hands of 'give it all away' dems. May they reap what they sown...

25 posted on 08/07/2011 10:31:17 AM PDT by GOPJ (The U.S. is BROKE - dems GAVE AWAY our wealth to buy the votes of their victim group supporters.)
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To: sinanju

I wouldn’t bet on that.

His poll numbers are still in the low 40’s.

THEY SHOULD BE SINGLE DIGITS.


26 posted on 08/07/2011 10:32:28 AM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: ctdonath2
Unless the Obama is willing to kill creditors and confiscate wealth at gunpoint - literally - the only option is hyperinflation.

Let's do both, it's faster that way.

You do realize the dozen or more socialist historical precedents that exist, costing hundreds of millions of human lives?

Oh, right, "it can't happen here".

27 posted on 08/07/2011 10:37:33 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: Navy Patriot

28 posted on 08/07/2011 10:39:21 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: sinanju
You underestimate the power of stupidity.
29 posted on 08/07/2011 10:43:14 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: Tzimisce
THEY SHOULD BE SINGLE DIGITS

Hey Obama! I got your single digits right here!

30 posted on 08/07/2011 10:43:31 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Obama and the Dems - The flash mob raiding the Treasury.)
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To: Tzimisce

Obama’s polling in the low 40’s because people are still afraid to say they’re fed up with him. The PC conditioning, don’cha know.

That can’t follow them into the voting booth, if they even bother to vote next year.


31 posted on 08/07/2011 10:44:32 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: PGR88
I printed it out and I'm going straight to Costco, the Marxist club store.
32 posted on 08/07/2011 10:45:31 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: Jack Black

CWII Ping?


33 posted on 08/07/2011 10:48:34 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: ctdonath2
Unless the Obama is willing to kill creditors and confiscate wealth at gunpoint - literally - the only option is hyperinflation.

They would love a strong bout of inflation and they are trying hard to ignite it - but they are having a terribly difficult time doing so. The massive deflationary trend sparked by the collapse of the credit bubble is overwhelming their efforts, and destined to make repayment of all that debt even more expensive.

34 posted on 08/07/2011 10:49:30 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: george76
Barack Obama is offering us a Latin-American future.

This has been clear for some time, and it hasn't been just Obama, but it's been the Democrat party and open-borders RINOs.

The government (1) brings into a burgeoning Euro-style welfare state tens of millions of low-skilled, lower-average-IQ, pro-socialist foreign citizens in order to vote Democrat and provide cheap low-skilled labor, (2) subsidizes dysfunctional underclass mothers to have more children and (3) dumbs down students stuck in government schools with politically- and not economically-driven curricula.

The result is roughly a two-class society like we see in so many Latin American countries, with a legacy infrastructure inherited from when the US had a strong, industrious and intelligent middle class. Holding society together as a national culture is the cult of victimhood and entitlement and bread-and-circuses Hollywood degeneracy.

35 posted on 08/07/2011 10:50:12 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: sinanju
That can’t follow them into the voting booth, if they even bother to vote next year.

Right, it would be the Union "election assistant" that delivers 'em to the several polling places, and follows 'em in to the several election booths they use in addition to their several absentee ballots.

Come on, catch up!

36 posted on 08/07/2011 10:52:25 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: george76

“Oh, politics! Hey, kids, look at the clowns!”


37 posted on 08/07/2011 10:58:53 AM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: george76

Look at labor force participation under Obama/Dems. People giving up, gov’t encourages welfare mindset:

http://confoundedinterest.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/participation-rate1.jpg

Fannie Mae STILL sucking billions from taxpayers:

http://confoundedinterest.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/fannie.jpg

Gov’t spending blowing away GDP growth:

http://confoundedinterest.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/growthgdpdebt.png

Housing still in the dumpster, along with unemployment:

http://confoundedinterest.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/csunemploy.png

M1 Money multiplier collapsing:

http://confoundedinterest.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/m1moneymultiplier.png

I could go on and on. Just look at this guy’s pictures.


38 posted on 08/07/2011 11:14:10 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: PGR88

I have a $50 trillion note that I keep at work for show and tell for liberals. Most are hopeless, but a few are starting to make a connection between that bill and what is happening currently vis a vis our fiscal situation.


39 posted on 08/07/2011 11:38:16 AM PDT by allblues
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To: Navy Patriot

The one difference is that, as far as is known, the Obama is not prone toward violent solutions.

But you’re right, socialism usually passes thru a stage of extreme violence.


40 posted on 08/07/2011 2:01:29 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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