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To: Steelfish

Here’s a concept... let’s get the government out of the marriage business altogether!


3 posted on 07/31/2011 2:54:44 PM PDT by Gondring (Going d'Anconia)
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To: Gondring
Here’s a concept... let’s get the government out of the marriage business altogether!

And what do you think will be the outcome in that "Brave New World"?

5 posted on 07/31/2011 2:57:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Gondring

The US government is supposed to be supportive of a system which upholds social contracts which never trample on Human Rights and treat everyone as equal and use logic and reason with Natural Law Theory (which presupposes a Creator and a standard of right and wrong) to determine “Just Law”.

The fundamental purpose of a government based on Natural Law Theory such as the US is to ensure the best way to protect the fundamental duty and teleological design of human beings in a way in which they are able to best flourish and pursue a “happy” life. The biological connections of human beings is proven to be the most basic unit of all human societies by all anthropological studies (minus the fraud of Margaret Meade).

It was understood by the Founders—their philosophy which was adopted and built into the Constitution—that of Natural Law Theory—the understanding that we have Natural Rights also means that all human beings have duties—and human beings most important duty is to raise and care for their biological offspring which is why we have private property rights. Because of that we have devised a system of laws that enhance Natural Law. Just Law is that—Right Reason according to Nature.

What we have here is a deliberate destruction of Rule of Law—devolving into Rule of Man—where laws are arbitrarily made up based on “urges” and “needs” no matter how demeaning or dysfunctional which can never be “Just Law”.

Standards and rights (Supra Positive Law) is derived from God and it is His standards that have been used since the Founding of our country which are trying to be switched to man made up rules that actually defy human nature.

Which means that the most logical way and equal way to set up society which guarantees the Natural Right of children — to be raised by biological parents (proven as best and safest and happiest method by studies of Piaget, Erikson, Freud) — is the Marriage of a woman and man who do their God-given duty of raising their biological offspring so that they have a chance of growing into loving, responsible adults.

Dalrymple, the psychiatrist in England, documents the destruction of children when the biological parents never marry. If the kids do survive to adulthood, they are drug addicts, gang members and/or on well fare or in prison or mental hospitals. Suicide rates soar.


14 posted on 07/31/2011 3:23:28 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: Gondring
Here’s a concept... let’s get the government out of the marriage business altogether!

No. Fight.

Fight to win. Then win.

Then take no prisoners, exile the survivors, notch their earlobes, and get their passports.

50 posted on 07/31/2011 6:06:12 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Gondring

Here’s a concept... let’s get the government out of the marriage business altogether!

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Are you really advocating the dissolution of the legal entity of marriage?


51 posted on 07/31/2011 6:11:40 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Gondring

Well, here’s the story, which plenty of people don’t get. You make laws because experience shows you can’t trust people to do the right thing on their own. Marriage was a nice institution at one point, not perfect, but definitely better, then, when the problems such as serial divorce came into full swing, you had a rise in issues that led to the need of getting a system for assigning parental responsibility, or for giving recognition at times. As bad as legally sanctioned marriage is right now, you can’t exactly throw it out like a baby with dirty bath water either. I wouldn’t trust society to work well after spontaneously throwing away the marriage license business, IMO.


112 posted on 08/01/2011 3:23:26 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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