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Clyburn: Obama Should Lift Debt Ceiling Like Lincoln Freed the Slaves
Fox News ^ | uly 28, 2011 | Reid J. Epstein

Posted on 07/29/2011 9:25:30 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded

Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) cited major civil rights victories as examples of successful presidential executive orders as evidence President Barack Obama should invoke the 14th Amendment to raise the debt ceiling if Congress fails to do so. “He could do that [an executive order] with a stroke of a pen. We have seen many big things done in history that way,” Clyburn said on MSNBC’s “Jansing & Co.”

“I was joking to my staff the other day: ‘Tell me the bill number for the Emancipation Proclamation.’ It was an executive order. We integrated the armed services by executive order. We integrated the public schools by executive order. Sometimes executives must order that things get done.”

Clyburn added, “If the president gets up to Aug. 2 without a piece of legislation, he shoud not allow this country to go into default. He should sign an executive order invoking the 14th Amendment and send that to all the governmental agencies for us to continue to pay our bills.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: constitution; debt; debtceiling; obama
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To: Maceman
Great Post... except not only is Clyburn ignorant of history, he is ignorant on the law, the constitution and basic economics.
21 posted on 07/29/2011 10:03:22 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

“Executive Orders” only apply to the Executive Branch of government and the actions contained within that branch. That is why Truman’s military desegregation order was effective and legal. Since the EO they are proposing encroaches on the specific Constitutional powers given to the Legislative Branch, said EO is un-Constitutional on its face.


22 posted on 07/29/2011 10:03:38 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Ya, that occurred to me too.

The Emancipation Proclamation was really a symbolic act. Lincoln issued an executive order freeing slaves in states which had seceded from the Union. It had no practical effect on freeing the slaves in the Confederacy, because those areas had seceded and were not under federal control.

And the slaves in border states which remained in the Union — Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri, were specifically NOT mentioned and NOT freed by the Emancipation Proclamation.

While that proclamation is an historic document and has historic symbolism, it didn’t actually free the slaves.


23 posted on 07/29/2011 10:05:24 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Eyes Unclouded

He should use the same executive authority to institutionalize Jim Clyburn as a threat to society.


24 posted on 07/29/2011 10:05:37 AM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: camle

Why do liberals like to over-reach with their analogies?

So now Obama grappling with these debt ceiling issues is just like Lincoln during the Civil War????? Are these people serious???????

Heck Obama isn’t actually dealing with it. He’s trying to push Congress to do something, but he himself is just standing by, waiting.

Is Obama still p**sed off at Eric Cantor? He told Eric Cantor not to call his bluff during the negotiations earlier this month. Now there are negotiations involving the president.

Senator Barack Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006. Among other things, he said that the need to raise the debt ceiling reflected a failure of presidential leadership.

So is the need to raise the debt ceiling now also a failure of presidential leadership? Especially since this president isn’t leading at all????

Or does the fact that this president is a good Democrat override everything else? We know the president he criticized in 2006 was an evil Republican.


25 posted on 07/29/2011 10:11:06 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: camle
slavery ended with teh 14th ammendment, passed AFTER his death.

Facts are irrelevant.

26 posted on 07/29/2011 10:22:49 AM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Ironic and hypocritical. Bringing up the Emancipation Proclamation while enslaving the taxpayers and our posterity. WHO votes these d!ckheads into office!?


27 posted on 07/29/2011 10:34:18 AM PDT by i_robot73
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To: camle

13th


28 posted on 07/29/2011 10:52:42 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

These people want a Constitutional crisis.


29 posted on 07/29/2011 10:54:56 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: camle
the emacipation proclamation only referred to slaves in state in open rebellion - where Lincoln had no authority.

As the Union Army suppressed the rebellion the Federal government's authority expanded to free all slaves in the states that formerly were in rebellion. Which was the whole point and design of the Emancipation Proclamation.
30 posted on 07/29/2011 10:55:01 AM PDT by Cheburashka (If found, please return this Ring of Power to Sauron, Lord of Darkness. Return postage guaranteed.)
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To: WayneS

OK 13th. my bad...;-)


31 posted on 07/29/2011 11:15:48 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Only debt which is allowed for by Congress is valid. Some Congressional Republican should go on the news and make the point that any T-Bills issued without Congressional authority are invalid, and (to steal a phrase from Obama) “Congress cannot guarantee that invalidly-issued T-bills will be paid”


32 posted on 07/29/2011 11:34:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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33 posted on 07/29/2011 11:57:39 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: camle

Actually, Lincoln did free some slaves. He freed the slaves (app. 3,000 or so) in the District of Columbia, the only territory he really had authority to do so.


34 posted on 07/29/2011 12:43:14 PM PDT by sanjacgal (Follow the Money)
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To: PapaBear3625

Who knows they might have to do that in the event Obama tries to run around them and issue new debt. I’m sure the Fed will buy it if no one else will touch it but the damage to the reputation of our currency will be done.

I’m not exactly looking forward to the days when the world reserve currency shifts from greenbacks to that crazy basket of currencies and commodities being pushed by China/IMF.

Love your tagline.


35 posted on 07/29/2011 1:26:16 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Eyes Unclouded

What a repugnant man!


36 posted on 07/29/2011 1:34:05 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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