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Federal pay and benefits spared -- for now
GovernmentExecutive.com ^ | July 26, 2011 | Kellie Lunney

Posted on 07/26/2011 4:26:42 PM PDT by mdittmar

The House and Senate debt proposals released Monday do not contain specific provisions targeting federal employees' pay or benefits, although such spending cuts likely will be part of future proposals, observers believe.

The plans, released by House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., both endorse trillions in spending cuts that would affect agency budgets, including Defense Department spending, over the next decade. Neither proposal includes tax increases or specific cuts to entitlement programs like Medicare.

"I am pleased that neither of the two latest proposals addressing the debt ceiling and fiscal deficit calls for immediate federal retirement cuts," National Treasury Employees Union President Colleen Kelley said in a statement.

(Excerpt) Read more at govexec.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bipartisan; collapse; colleenkelley; default; nteu; socialism; unions
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To: Beelzebubba

You’ll have to stop thinking about darkening my doorway or climbing in the windows then.


81 posted on 07/27/2011 6:43:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mdittmar

Sooopraaazzz, Sooopraaazzz!!!


82 posted on 07/27/2011 6:54:48 AM PDT by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: Jim from C-Town
When has there ever been a general lay off or reduction in force of the federal work force?

The federal workforce has held steady around 4-5 million for 50 years. State and local government workforce has ballooned.

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83 posted on 07/27/2011 7:56:20 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: dalereed

“to hell with juicing the economy, we need a depression and we need it now! Cut off all welfare, food stamps, free housing, and free medical care. Everyone makes their own way or they can lie down in the street and die!”

Brilliant plan! /S


84 posted on 07/27/2011 8:25:24 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: muawiyah
The USDA regularly asks our QA manager to “lobby for more funding!”.

Same with the FDA.

I told one inspector that asking us to lobby for him was bit unethical. Got an interesting response. Seems they were told to do it.

85 posted on 07/27/2011 9:18:01 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: dennisw

I think you could cut 2/3 of the USG civilians. But remember, many of the so-called producers in the private sector contract with the federal government. I work with them. To outward appearances, they are very successful in their chosen private sector fields. They make high six or low seven figures, with stock options. Yet many of them don’t know very much at all, except how to latch onto a government cost contract that allows them to bill overhead & administration costs back to the taxpayer. Drive around the Dulles Airport area sometime. The big buildings & houses that you see are largely paid for by the taxpayer.


86 posted on 07/27/2011 9:26:39 AM PDT by Belle22
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To: napscoordinator

“It is always Seniors, Vets, and Federal Workers who are targeted.”

You forgot the /s (sarcasm) tags. Federal employees have received a windfall of compensation in the last 10 years. There have been many studies indicating that total compensation of federal employees is much higher (50 to 100 percent) than private sector employees. The military has done very well also. The military should be higher priority than federal workers.

Your comment is laughable, especially given that it occurred in the FR, not the DU. Total compensation for federal workers is an important part of government spending that must be addressed. Unfunded liabilities for federal pensions is $5 trillion with $300 billion added each year.


87 posted on 07/27/2011 9:38:10 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: atomicweeder

“They get an entire career with a good salary and great benefits, and no accountability (can’t be fired)...”

If they are on the usual one-year probation, they can be fired, immediately. If they have successfully completed probation (usually 1 year), they can still be fired, just not immediately. The reason(s) have to be documented, they get a chance to respond, and then the decision can issue to fire them. They can appeal. But they can be fired. You just need supervisors with the will to follow through.

Frankly, it’s better to have a system like this than to support the random acts that take place in the private sector. Where a drunk, sadistic or crazy manager can decide they don’t like somebody - perhaps because the employee wouldn’t fudge numbers or sleep with them - and the targeted employee is out in the parking lot that day with a box of their personal belongings.


88 posted on 07/27/2011 9:40:15 AM PDT by Belle22
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To: atomicweeder

Fact is many of the lowest entry civillains make MORE than the lowest grade military. FIRE the civillians and let the military do their jobs. Bases have clerks doing jobs and receiving benefits that are outrageous...hire the military! and in order to create more jobs in the USA..get the feds OFF the backs of big business and mom and pops. Govt is driving employers out of the country.
However, with all entitlements being slashed it will still not cure the nations fiscal ills.


89 posted on 07/27/2011 9:52:19 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: muawiyah

You’ll have to stop thinking about darkening my doorway or climbing in the windows then.


You sound like just another government thug.

I and my earnings have no desire to come anywhere near you.


90 posted on 07/27/2011 10:16:22 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Government borrowing is Taxation without Representation)
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To: Beelzebubba

I see you lurking around out there.


91 posted on 07/27/2011 10:28:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: katiedidit1
Hmm ~ and the military get untaxed benefits such as meals and housing. The civilian clerks pay rent and buy their meals with after tax income.

It's probably pretty much the same at the bottom ~ was "way back when" although $90 a month really wasn't all that much.

92 posted on 07/27/2011 10:31:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: katiedidit1

I had a very good civilian job before going into the Army. I had an American Express Card. Even my battalion commander didn’t qualify.


93 posted on 07/27/2011 10:32:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: businessprofessor
Federal employees have received a windfall of compensation in the last 10 years. There have been many studies indicating that total compensation of federal employees is much higher (50 to 100 percent) than private sector employees.

And have the total compensations for private sector employees remained steady, or have they increased or decreased over time?

94 posted on 07/27/2011 10:36:07 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: dennisw
Let's add EVERY employee of the IRS to that list.

Bunch of effing traitors if you ask me.

95 posted on 07/27/2011 11:01:21 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: ecomcon; Jim from C-Town
ecomcon ~ these guys don't want to hear the facts about federal employment.

You can also put population growth on the same chart ~ shows that the federales handle more and more stuff.

Still, facts never work in the face of the demand by the ruling elites, or their mobs, for a new replacement for "the Jew".

The Huguenots found that out. The French got rid of the Jews and turned on the Protestants.

97 posted on 07/27/2011 12:18:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Belle22
Frankly, it’s better to have a system like this than to support the random acts that take place in the private sector. Where a drunk, sadistic or crazy manager can decide they don’t like somebody - perhaps because the employee wouldn’t fudge numbers or sleep with them - and the targeted employee is out in the parking lot that day with a box of their personal belongings.

You have legal recourse in situations like that. In my last job, a manager fired a woman he just didn't like. She sued (with good reason) and got her job back. And honestly, as someone who worked for a drunk, sadistic, manager, I left well before he could fire me (or crash the company).

98 posted on 07/27/2011 2:15:58 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: edge10; All
Those lying bastards (Obama's administration, Reid, Pelosi, et al) have already taken 500 BILLION out of Medicare to give to slackers on welfare so they can have health insurance.

Grandma can just die. LOL, they say that the republicans don't care about the old people, but it is THEM, the dastardly liberals that are throwing working and retired Americans under the bus.

Already SSI payments to the TRUELY disabled here in California have gone down over 80 bucks in the last couple of years.

Cut unConstitutional programs, cut pork and redundancy in Gov orgs and problem solved.

Oh, stop supporting the democratic voter base, Illegal alien criminal insurgent colonists and all those on welfare and food-stamps that are scamming the system.

Cut spending a trillion a year, and NO NEW TAXES!

Suck up the tea government, TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY.

99 posted on 07/27/2011 4:27:14 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: EGPWS

“Government workers, especially politicians are true civil servants because they give more than they take.”

Have you been smoking dope?


100 posted on 07/27/2011 4:28:20 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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