Posted on 07/22/2011 1:14:25 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
Among the pressures facing police officiers working the streets of America is the rising number of people legally carrying concealed guns. But when one such licensee was pulled over in Canton, Ohio, an officer threatened to shoot him on the spot. Here's the chilling video.
The arrest took place in early June, but the video only came to light today from a group called Ohioans for Concealed Carry. They had been working on behalf of the driver of the Pontiac Grand Prix, known so far only as William, who was arrested and charged in the stop.
As the 17-minute dashcam video shows, the two Canton police officers see the car pulled over in a neighborhood and detain a male passenger and a woman standing outside, whom the officers quickly identify as a prostitute. After telling the driver to stay put, they detain the male passenger and search the back of the car for a few minutes.
Only after that search does Officer Daniel Harless start questioning William, some seven minutes into the video — who then admits, when he can get a word in, that he has a concealed weapon, and tries to show Harless his permit. When he discovers William's gun in his belt, Harless instead becomes enraged: "You are supposed to say that right off the goddamned bat!"
Right now, the shit that you just pulled, I could blast you right in the mouth...I am so close to caving in you're goddamn head...you're just a stupid human being...People like you don't deserve to move throughout public. Stupid idiot."
After searching the car, getting worked up with his partner, and hearing from police dispatch that William does indeed have a legal permit to carry a concealed weapon, Harless comes back to the cruiser where William has been detained:
I swear to God man this little bull crap you just pulled right now has got me so hot. You know what I should have done? I'll tell you what I should have done. As soon as I saw your gun, I should have taken two steps back, pulled my Glock 40 and just put ten bullets in your ass and let you drop. And I wouldn'tve lost any sleep. And he would have been a nice witness as I executed you because you're stupid.
William was charged with two misdemeanor counts; one for stopping in the roadway, and another for failing to inform officers of his weapons.
After the video surfaced, the Canton police announced that Harless had been put on indefinite suspension last month, and the case forwarded to Internal Affairs. Ohio gun activists are raising money for William's defense. And the rest of us get to hope the next misunderstanding ends more amicably, rather than less.
Looks like traffic stops in Ohio are life threatening for CCW citizens.
But if you were to actually kill the cop, and any others that respond to the scene, you might be given life in prison, but surely you wouldn't be executed for decades if at all.
It is for crap like this I laugh at the anti-death penalty crowd for their demands that hard core demons are granted a long and worthless life while your typical Ohio motorist will be mercilessly gunned down in the streets by a sadistic psychopath of the State who will then summarily lie about the execution and the authorities would praise him for Heroism.
We are living in times now where the most dangerous and insane person in the room to life and liberty is the LEO. A gang banger or drug lord/enforcer has at least a reason to kill and is nowhere as brazen or callous to innocent human life as this LEO. This Ohio cop didn't even feel a need to have a reason.
Depends on the state.
Michigan - yes.
Indiana - know.
Know the laws or the cops will screw you over, as this video demonstrates.
I live in Ohio and have a CCW license. We must indeed inform the officer immediately that we have a license and whether or not we are currently carrying. However, if you watched the video, the driver did attempt to inform the cop that he had a CCW license and that he was carrying. (He had it in his hand and was trying to show it to them) He kept being told to shut up.
When he could finally get a word in edgewise (after he was in the cruiser). He told them that he had a CCW and asked them to please get his wallet because it was still in the car. The cop got the wallet and took everything out of it, was cursing all the while because he couldn’t find the CCW, even though the driver had been trying to show it to him from the beginning and it was in the driver’s hand.
The cop was WAY over the line and should be fired, and charged with a number of things and the city should be sued. Remember that the video was from the police cruiser, meaning that the fact that the cops left it on means that they didn’t think that they were doing anything wrong.
$29 K? Seriously?
My cousin’s husband is a cop in Nassau County, Long Island.
I recently heard that the average pay for a cop there is $150,000 per year. He’s been a cop for over 20 years, so his pay grade is probably higher. Then there’s all the benefits, free medical care, etc. To my knowledge, he has no college degrees of any kind.
Several years ago, 21 year old rookie cops in Las Vegas, with no college experience, were starting out at $50,000 per year. Overtime pushes that pay even higher.
The flip side of that coin is rural America. Here is Maine, cops start out at about $30,000 - $35,000 per year.
Psyhos do sometimes evade the system and become police officers. This individual has no business being a police officer. Indefinite suspension is not enough, He needs to be removed from the force.
PAID indefinite suspension no doubt.
Now the taxpayers are paying for him to sit on his unstable rear end all day playing Grand Theft Auto and power downing 40 ounce Schlitz Malt Liquors.
At least that's what I'd do if I was ever lucky enough to be put on paid administrative leave.
Filming a cop is illegal in many states. Having your personal camera on during an interaction with LEO will get you in to deep trouble.
Both of them need more training in their respective roles...that's fairly obvious.
Does anyone have a valid argument for it being illegal to film a cop in the line of duty?
This crap needs to be overturned in the state legislatures.
Best plan is probably to have an in-car hidden camera always recording when you are in the car, with a 16GB chip that it just keeps cycling over.
If it is good enough for LEOs its good enough for an American.
Ideally, you want two cameras, one with a chip on it that is mounted near the dome light and powered by the 12V (but in front of it or the image is washed out in the dark)). The goal here is to have a good image out the windscreen and more importantly, the dashboard. This will cover for you when the LEO makes false charges in regards to your driving or failing to wear seat belts.
The second camera should be mounted in the passenger side pillar and aimed across the car and have a clear image of the driver and the area surrounding the driver's side window. This is the one you want to switch on during a stop and have it transmit to storage on a very well concealed part of your car, or via blutooth to your web enabled phone which immediately relays it to a server far away from the reach of a warrant. This is your insurance video, the one that either win you a large settlement, or at least let your family see your last living moments before being blown away by your typical sadistic psychopath cop. It may even show them planting drug/gun evidence or show them destroying your dome light camera. Make sure they know about the camera recording the entire exchange so that way you can have video of them destroying evidence to hide their felonies.
With technology the way it is right now, particularly since we already have web enabled GPS devices with cameras mounted front and back (typical Android phone) it might just be only a software and mounting bracket issue to make a camera that incorporates images of the road while moving overlaid with GPS speed and location data, switching immediately to the front facing camera for recording evidence that IA, FBI, State police or your tort lawyers might be interested in.
Yea, I know there are bad LEO’s out there but most of them are the good guys.
Yeah, those are the ones standing around with their hands in their pockets while their fellow officer is stomping a restrained and on the ground victim into a permanent coma.
Is this what passes for a police officer today. My god, we are in more trouble than I thought.
Why would anyone want to be in law enforcement? Above average pay, excellent health benefits, pensions that are gold plated compared to the private sector.... Those are just a few reasons that come to mind.
The fact you can get away with behavior that would land anyone else in prison.... Well, that is a fringe benefit.
In Nevada, you are required to present your ccw any time a LEO asks for ID. Even if you are not carrying at that moment.
Most cops don't want to be on film. They are not perfect, and no one wants their bloopers on the news.
You should be spitting upon those lazy cops I worked with who hung out at the pawn shops when they weren’t bullying people. Oh, and you can add the two relatives I had who were cops. Never seen one so lazy and the other so much on a power trip. The lazy one was a good guy.
The fact you can get away with behavior that would land anyone else in prison.... Well, that is a fringe benefit.
That is the disturbing part. Most people would never entertain the notion of gunning down their fellow man under any circumstances. There are many who talk big about how they would take down someone who invades their home or threatens their life or a family member's life, but I seriously doubt that any one of them is scouting out opportunities to apply that defense. LEOs are out looking for trouble, and this LEO wanted to murder someone. It isn't the fact that LEOs routinely brutalize, terrorize and murder innocent Americans and get away with it, it is the fact that they want to do those things.
In my county on traffic stops, when a license plate is called in on the scanner, dispatch usually responds informing the officer that the registrant has a CC permit. “Bob Jones indicator 4” or something like that.
That is, of course, nonsense. When they are performing their duties they are acting publicly, not privately. The real reason is to suppress evidence of misconduct and malfeasance.
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