Posted on 07/14/2011 4:12:43 PM PDT by teg_76
Congress can still sink plan B IMO and they should do so.
What right does McConnel have to stop progress towards a balanced budget? Something is up with him. He needs recalling.
The two year appropriation limit forces the government to pay a slightly higher rental rate than would otherwise be applicable. Plus, their authority to just seize your building (forced sale to them) kicks those prices up a tad as well.
The Fiscal year is divided into Quarters. Quarter I is OCT/NOV/DEC, Quarter II is Jan/Feb/Mar, Quarter III is Apr/May/Jun, Quarter IV is Jul/Aug/Sept.
We are presently in quarter IV FY 2011. Quarter I of FY 2012 will start in early October. (The precise days vary year to year due to inherent problems in our calendar).
The Federal Fiscal year used to begin JULY 1, but that was revised to OCTOBER 1 because, lo and behold, Congress didn't have enough time to get a budget done and passed as early as July. I lived through that problem ~ messed up SPLY data for years and years.
Are useless commissions the only things these morons can come up with? Obama's last debt (tax) commission just finished up and promptly got sidelined because of the GOP victory in November.
I would doubt you understand federal constitutional process well enough to discuss. End of that story too.
Read up on appropriations bills. Lots of stuff on the net.
If it was an Obama Commission it got sidelined because it came up with BS ~ just because that’s what Obama wants. You have to be brought up slowly on this ~ OBAMA IS STUPID. You cannot use normal language describing him. HE IS THAT STUPID.
You were speaking of reality and senators and congress critters with seniority are mostly interested in getting on with the business of taking care of their supporters. To do that, they have to keep the money flowing out of Washington and back to their states, pet projects and businesses they're inclined to support. Since we're approaching the end of the FY and cutoff dates for getting contracts out the door are looming, time is of the essence. So, I tend to think this weighs more on McConnell’s mind than trying to outsmart even a dumb-ass like Obama. This and trying to avoid any future blame for the coming fiasco.
Never heard them. What do they sound like ?
“Why must McConnell go? He proposed something we proposed for Ronaldus Magnus and for Richard Milhouse Nixon and which Thomas Jefferson said he’d like.”
I’m not sure why that makes it such a golden thing. There are a lot of things that Reagan did that would have been appropriate to that time and place that wouldn’t be appropriate today. Just because Reagan did it doesn’t make it perfect.
“You don’t like Republican Presidents? You don’t like Conservative Presidents? You don’t like the Founding Fathers?”
I’m not sure how you reasoned that? There’s really no logical progression that would result in that from what I wrote. Maybe you can show your thought process there. You might as well have said that what I wrote implies that I hate Buddha, for example.
“You better have one really, really, really good reason for that statement ~ and I doubt you have one.”
I don’t really have to have anything. I’m a free citizen of a constitutional republic. But I’m not sure how you don’t understand how McConnell’s plan does more for Democrats than Republicans and Conservatives. Maybe you can explain how you don’t see that.
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“Let’s take this into another realm. Let’s say you got a boss and you and your staff work up great programs every week, and you take them to the boss, do the song and dance, and the boss says ‘That’s not it’.
You do this repeatedly for weeks and weeks, and months, and years. It’s always ‘That’s not it’.
Finally in exasperation with this stupid ignoramouses inability to deal with the real wor[l]d you and your guys tell him in a staff meeting ~ ‘Hey, big boss, we do hard work here and you keep rejecting everything we send you. Yet, we are experts in our field and we find it frustrating to waste our time and the company’s money. Can you just send us a list of what you WANT and what you don’t WANT and let us work with that?’
See the difference?”
I see the point you are trying to make.
Let’s extend your analogy a bit. Let’s say that me and my team, who are working for the big boss, want to get all the customers for our product to blame the big boss and get the big boss fired. And, to extend your example, we decide to go on strike as a result of the fact that our big boss won’t listen to us. What we hope to accomplish by this strike is, we want to turn over our jobs to the big boss temporarily because we want the customers to become dissatisfied with the big boss. So we go on strike, and the big boss decides to do all the work himself. Then the customers are displeased with the outcome. And the customers do blame the big boss to a degree for the problem. But at the same time there is one very important problem.
All the customers of this company follow company news very closely. They know that we went on strike. So that although they know the big boss is incompetent. They also know that we could have stayed around and done our jobs, and then the product would not have sucked. In fact, these particular customers happen to value *individual responsibility* very highly. In fact, these customers valued my team higher than the big boss all the time. The customers were counting on us to do the right thing, and took as a personal affront when we decided to abdicate our responsibility to the customers.
In addition, all the customers already new that the big boss was worthless, so they were looking to us to create a good product. So now, although the customers are pissed at the product, the already knew the big boss was worthless, what they are now surprised at is the worthlessness of me and my team. And, the customers were before planning to get the big boss fired, and are now planning to fire both the boss, for being worthless, and my team as well, for abdicating our jobs to someone who is worthless.
After all, these particular customers value personal responsibility very highly.
So your analogy is a good attempt to describe the situation, but it is inadequate to fully encompass what is going on.
“Well, that’s what you’ve got with Obama. He is not only inexperienced he has the instincts of the worst boss you ever had. He cannot articulate what he wants, nor does he trust anything anybody else says he ought to do because he’s too ignorant to evaluate proposals, nor does he recognize hard work.”
So therefore we need to act more like him right? Abdicate our responsibility to do our jobs, when if we just do nothing, he will blow up? Let’s be more like him? I don’t think so.
“That’s all McConnell’s proposal is about ~ for Obama to tell them what to cut and be done with it.”
You are right kind of. This is the misguided approach that McConnell is taking. So therefore McConnell must go. He’s either incompetent, or too afraid, or a combination of both. Both are unacceptable as the leader of a party supposed to represent a free citizenry.
It’s quite simply just not good enough.
Get back to me, when you understand ‘Hey, Obama..put it in writing’ really means.
Out of respect, I’m presuming you are being sarcastic, since you cannot be that simple.
Obama putting it in writing is an out ??????
We eagerly await your explanation...
Surely you jest?
Surely you don’t have that simplistic an understanding of what’s going on?
Steve doesn’t get it.
You won’t have to wait long.
“Hey Obama, put it in writing.”
“And as a trade off, we’ll cede our Constitutional authority!”
Great deal, right?
Not.
If you want him to put it in writing, simply get in front of a camera and beat it to death asking him to put it in writing.
Clearly McConnell is seeking a thinly disguised “out” for Republicans politically, by giving Dems and “out” fiscally. And the really dumb thing is no Conservative I know of is going to actually believe that Republicans weren’t responsible for the spending if his plan goes through.
What about that is it that you don’t grok?
Plus, somebody wants to run around hollering "RINO RINO RINO" ~ but McConnell, like so terribly many Southern politicians WAS NEVER AN ELECTED DEMOCRAT OFFICE HOLDER.
You wouldn't, perhaps, be a Perry supporter?
Hmmm.
I certainly grok more than you. With every post one thing becomes clearer...In contest of accuracy...my tagline beats your monniker....
Obama..writing...campaign year.
Plan B is a non starter.How can it be an out?
How does Mitch McConnell trying to save his own a$$ by turning over spending authority to the president require a conspiracy theory?
I mean he stated as much himself.
Is it really that convoluted for you?
When you make an assertion like that you must give us a specific quote and a direct reference to verifiable source.
Frankly, I read everything he said and he didn't say that.
So does the fact that Harry Reid is “heartened by it” bother you?
Does the fact that McCain and Lindsey Graham agree with it bother you?
How is trying to pretend that Republicans are not responsible for it by ceding Constitutional authority to the president good? Exactly how is it good?
your post says you read it. the content says you didnt understand it.
Obama. Writing. Election year. Not gonna happen, and if it does, he’s more gone in 12 than he already is.
That’s not surrender. That’s Sherman’s March to the Sea, executed by Bobby Fisher. (look it up)
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