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Top Democrats: McConnell’s proposal is now our Plan B (Republican leaders are an emabarassment)
HotAir ^ | 7/14/2011 | Allahpundit

Posted on 07/14/2011 4:12:43 PM PDT by teg_76

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To: NYCslicker
Doesn't it bother you that I went over the whole thing yesterday in detail and pointed to the specific programs that resulted in specific Supreme Court decisions ~ all of which are part of this ~ and you seem to have not read a thing I wrote here?

You have no excuse for your IGNANCE.

BTW, I did my analysis and reportage here LONG BEFORE Dick Morris and Ann Coulter ran with it.

If you will stay awake long enough you'll find I am 1 to 2 days ahead of all the pundits who get paid to copy my stuff and make money on it, including Limbaugh!

61 posted on 07/14/2011 6:28:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NYCslicker

Harry Reid is no longer a relevant player.


62 posted on 07/14/2011 6:32:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Listen if your own supposed intelligence is the reason you want to cite for being hoodwinked by someone who is more interested in seeking political cover by turning over the decision to Obama than doing the things that need to be done and then accepting the political consequences, be my guest.

The only person you are outsmarting is yourself.

Wow. When conservatives are willing to believe this kind of tripe out of their leaders, we really don’t need the Obama’s of the world to lie to us.

We lie to ourselves. Good luck with that.


63 posted on 07/14/2011 6:35:51 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: hobbes1

“Obama..writing...campaign year. Plan B is a non starter.How can it be an out?”

If you don’t understand it by now, then you probably won’t ever understand it.

Good luck. I’m late for a scheduled jog, trying to open you well-intentioned, but ultimately incorrect, people’s eyes.

Really, good luck. I hope McConnell is able to ultimately do something other than pass the buck and wreck Republican credibility with conservatives.

We’ll see.


64 posted on 07/14/2011 6:39:59 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: NYCslicker
Frankly you don't know what you're talking about OR, you are a leftwingtard disrupter sent over here to sew dissension in the ranks.

Take your pick.

You can go back over the last couple of days and read ALL the posts on all the threads. At this point it sounds like your listening to a Ron Paul Rant.

65 posted on 07/14/2011 6:41:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NYCslicker

scheduled jog...your husbands a lucky guy.


66 posted on 07/14/2011 6:43:58 PM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to...." ;)
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To: muawiyah

Oh. I forgot the /s.


67 posted on 07/14/2011 6:45:54 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: muawiyah

Right because anyone who disagrees with you must either be stupid or a commie, right?

Ok.

Oh yeah, and I’ve been a leftwingtard disrupter for over 10 years on this site, and that’s what all my history of posts advocates for, right? Leftwingtard disruption?

And, this leftwingtard disrupter is advocating a more extremely right wing solution that you are.

Like I said before, good luck. Laters.


68 posted on 07/14/2011 6:50:18 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: hobbes1

lol, that’s funny

But I don’t need personal attacks to make my point.

Later.


69 posted on 07/14/2011 6:51:38 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: NYCslicker
I gave you a choice and you fessed up.
70 posted on 07/14/2011 6:55:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Get a life.


71 posted on 07/14/2011 6:56:14 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: Roccus
Yeah, you did. the "s/" is vital to understanding what you really mean. Else somebody might think you need to be EDUMACATED ~ which is an active verb.

Gad!

Why did so many people not pick up on yesterday's discussions? The stories to day are all OLD NEWS.

72 posted on 07/14/2011 7:00:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: hobbes1
your post says you read it. the content says you didnt understand it.

Yep. Same thing I was told before we passed the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 which also was supposed to solve all of our financial woes and save our country from going over the cliff. OK the doomsdayers got their way then and here we are again on the brink of economic ruin. I wonder if we were now into our third year of rebuilding our economy from the ground up, how much worse we would be?

OK - So we listen to our professional politicians and we kick the can again and Obama gets blamed and Republicans are heroes! Ha! I don't see it.

Save us the drama of continually hearing all of the US is falling into the sea again and let's REDUCE expenses, REDUCE taxes, and LOWER the debt limit. Radical...for sure, but their way has not worked and it is just burying all of us and our families into a deeper and deeper hole as we become the great entitlement nation.

73 posted on 07/14/2011 7:02:46 PM PDT by Brandonmark (2012: Our Hope IS Change!)
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To: muawiyah
No, his original debt commission had one mission and one mission only---come up with new creative ways to raise taxes, including a VAT, to both pay for Obamacare and provide him with political cover. The November 2010 election scuttled all of his fine plans, and his debt commission was thus rendered useless.

Now here McConnell and Reid are talking about another damned commission. It's all they know how to do!

74 posted on 07/14/2011 7:22:14 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: NYCslicker
BTW, regarding "hoodwinked" as a category of belief, you really got sucked in. On the first thread yesterday I pointed out where this all came from ~ (McConnell's proposal) ~ and it came from Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.

The Supreme Court had already ruled it, in general, UNCONSTITUTIONAL ~ I can put that in namspeak if you want but it shouldn't be necessary.

McConnell already knows that ~ but Obama doesn't, and apparently Harry Reid (who is gradually showing symptoms of having a serious stroke) and Nancy Pelosi got sucked right in ~ they forgot the lawsuits the Democrats filed against two Republican Presidents to prohibit the process as it was (more or less) described by McConnell.

So, your accusations that I was HOODWINKED by any of this is FAR FAR from the target. On the other hand your statement proves that you are probably out of your water on this particular topic.

I've neither recommended McConnell's proposal, nor opposed it. I've simply described it and put it and others like it into an historic context. There's nothing new here ~ particularly not if Thomas Jefferson had thoughts on the matter.

If you can't take it for someone to DISCUSS an issue without being a partisan one way or the other you really haven't got the spleen for much more discussion here.

75 posted on 07/14/2011 7:33:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: screaminsunshine
I just ran across this. It goes along with what I've suspected as far as debt-to-GDP. Most people don't know that most of our GDP is based on retail sales though most do know that very few consumer products are made here in the states nowadays. Finally, rising interest rates may well be what finally brings it all down.

The U.S. debt situation is far worse than anyone in Washington is willing to admit. We keep hearing calls for more, not less debt creation. But if people would stop kidding themselves and tally up all the many demands the U.S. government has against it, the actual debt-to-GDP ratio rises to something on the order of 400% – and even that is likely understating things. The fundamental flaws in the U.S. monetary system – flaws that have given license to the bureaucrats to smash the limousine of state straight into a wall – have required a remaking every 20 to 30 years or so. The problem is that there is pretty much nothing else that can be done to save the status quo at this point, and so the monetary system is likely to collapse. That means big changes ahead, including – or perhaps starting with – a poisonous ratcheting up of interest rates.

Source: The Greater Economic Depression Is Upon Us - By David Galland

76 posted on 07/14/2011 7:37:24 PM PDT by Errant
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To: muawiyah

Shu-fly.

I was nonplussed by your theory yesterday when I read it.

Now go peddle your McConnell-love elsewhere.


77 posted on 07/14/2011 7:37:51 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: NYCslicker
You are, to say the least, NUTS!

There's no theory in the matter. It's a Constitutional issue ~ it's settled law. You cannot give appropriations authority to the President or involve him directly in the House process.

End of discussion.

We Republicans lost that battle years ago!

78 posted on 07/14/2011 7:46:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The McConnell bill will authorize a raise in the debt limit. Period.

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It will not require the president to enter into any legislative responsibility.
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It will not require the president to use the whole authorization, but he will.

There’s no constitutional issue here.


79 posted on 07/14/2011 7:57:21 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
Yes, there is ~ didn't you catch that deal where Congress would have to "veto" the President's action?

Congress does not have the authority to pass a law the defers subsequent legislative action to the action of the Executive.

The Supreme Court has ruled on the matter numerous times.

The constitution is what it is and says what it says it is ~ and there's a procedure in there on how LAWS ARE PASSED.

That's the one you have to follow. Extra constitutional trick bags are not authorized.

Now maybe you want to believe they are, but they're not.

80 posted on 07/14/2011 8:10:10 PM PDT by muawiyah
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