Posted on 07/14/2011 4:12:43 PM PDT by teg_76
So, under this wonderful Plan B, Obama calls the shot as to what programs are cut. If Congress then fails to override the veto, all the Obama-directed cuts go into effect and he still gets his $700B hike in the debt ceiling...right?
Sounds like a helluva deal for him and the dems. Watch out, Defense budget.
Seems to me the House passing a cut, cap and balance package would be a whole lot more productive..and it would keep this unsavory regime from having an unacceptable level of authority on budgetary priorities.
What you may be alluding to are procedures you don't understand that have their basis in legislative and administrative practices going back over the last two centuries.
It's not possible to understand it all ~ that's why the government's Second Tribune is a 9 member court (with numerous district courts) rather than just 1 guy.
The Constitution says simply that all appropriations and taxes have to BEGIN in the House. The Executive's ONLY Constitutional involvement is in signing Bills that've passed the House first, then the Senate and arrived at his desk.
The Democrats have gone to court many times to STOP schemes that allowed the Executive to dip into the Legislative prerogatives of the House. To the degree this scheme allows for that, it's already been tested several times in recent decades (against Republican Presidents).
I am absolutely startled that so many Freepers and the Blogs they read are so devoid of critical history.
I think so too. Wonder how long they can keep the Ponzi up and running.
America will not last 5 years if Bam is Re-immaculated.
It will be here but it won’t be the America we had. Too bad. I guess we were just lucky.
Many states have the line item veto for precisely the reasons we are now facing financial ruin. Yet other states have a NO DEFICIT BUDGET clause. Indiana has a NO STATE DEBT clause which was inserted in the constitution of 1858 after the state had suffered a catastrophic bankruptcy ~ which left just about every man in the state unemployed, out of work and penniless.
Today they reported an almost $2 billion surplus for this year ~
What McConnell's variation on the theme of inserting the Executive into the scheme is about is very simple ~ formally requiring him to make a list of where he would make cuts ~ then prepare legislation to authorize those cuts and provide the additional bonding authority he asked for.
This might rise above the problems the Supreme Court has identified in prior proposals (with Nixon and Reagan), and it might not. Then we'd still have excess appropriations AND additional debt ~ which is not good.
At the moment the House has 2012 in hand having already prepared a budget for adoption. The Democrats are not prepared to vote for it in the Senate, nor is Obama prepared to sign it.
However, should Harry Reid go ahead and finish his current round of strokes, he'll be out of the way and cooler, sounder heads can get to work in the Democrat caucus in the Senate and maybe something can be done.
Frankly, something that's been up and down to the Supreme Court numerous times over the centuries probably isn't going to get adopted anyway.
No. Someone that's tired of an empty suit employing media enabled rhetoric, to get around a problem he cannot surmount.
Not only is it politically brilliant...Obama will never go for it.
What Spending, pray tell will Obama outline, to get his increase...
I've been here for a very long time, and more and more, we're beginnning to sound like DU.
This same discussion took place LAST NIGHT. While so called 'intelligent conservatives' were using a PMSNBC article as the basis for their cannibalism.
Coulter defended this plan, on Fox last night, and unlike most of us, actually worked as a Hill staffer, so clearly gets the implications of it.
If I seem to be insulting, it's only because I detest the intellectual laziness that brought us this empty suit that gives mediocrity a bad name, and find it twice as abhorrent, when people that ought to know better engage in it.
Yet too complex for our friends here to grasp.
Maybe...Just maybe...instead of reading media accounts, they could be bothered to .....read it for themselves...
NAAAAhhhh
Not much longer I’m afraid... Months probably but maybe for another year or so.
Yeah, that’s it I’m a RINO.
I actually read and get what Mitch is asking.
If the choices are A: Me Rino, or B: you too intellectually lazy to be informed, we can start post searching right now.
If you are insulted, It’s because You didn’t bother to read beyond what you’ve heard. That’s not an insult. It’s merely an uncomfortable observation.
Not at all sure what that's all about.
I love W. I like Paul. Mitt...is a joke.
But, the simple fact is EVERYONE sitting on this thread judging, could not be bothered to grasp the implications of REQUIRING a F***NG demagogue to put it in writing, with the Senate and White House in play.
Let alone actually read the details for themselves.
That’s a joke.
I'd also been handling one of the more inconsequential items ~ the entire printing budget for all agency public contact forms (and several black box deals as well.
That was several tens of millions of dollars.
You can't do a budget in a government agency without also watching what Congress is up to. You spend well over 30 years doing those budgets and watching Congress you begin to notice things like Supreme Court decisions that go to the heart of the process.
My conclusion is that Hamilton got his way in designing the financial controls in the Constitution simply for the purpose of allowing him to monetize the debt without having to worry about Congress cutting the Executive budget to make up for all that suddenly spare cash!
Darned shame Burr shot him before he could see the error of his ways ~ but isn't that the way this always is. Somebody wants a demonstration project proving that airplanes fly and the entire United States budget is rearranged to accommodate whatever "somebody" wants.
So to be sure, I read it again.Sorry friend, it still sucks! This is a game and it doesn't solve the problem. I have had it with ALL of these career politicians who are only interested in surviving the next election and playing the blame game. It is time for us to stop this madness now...NO surrender!
House & Senate GOP Leadership Plan
McConnell Must Go!
Which, clearly is why you get it. Budgets are details, and reality.
Two things the knee jerk reaction types are not dealing in.
McConnell gave the dems an out. Pure and simple. He should be run out of town.
It’s really not that hard to figure out.
You don't like Republican Presidents? You don't like Conservative Presidents? You don't like the Founding Fathers?
You better have one really, really, really good reason for that statement ~ and I doubt you have one.
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Let's take this into another realm. Let's say you got a boss and you and your staff work up great programs every week, and you take them to the boss, do the song and dance, and the boss says "That's not it".
You do this repeatedly for weeks and weeks, and months, and years. It's always "That's not it".
Finally in exasperation with this stupid ignoramouses inability to deal with the real word you and your guys tell him in a staff meeting ~ "Hey, big boss, we do hard work here and you keep rejecting everything we send you. Yet, we are experts in our field and we find it frustrating to waste our time and the company's money. Can you just send us a list of what you WANT and what you don't WANT and let us work with that?"
See the difference?
Well, that's what you've got with Obama. He is not only inexperienced he has the instincts of the worst boss you ever had. He cannot articulate what he wants, nor does he trust anything anybody else says he ought to do because he's too ignorant to evaluate proposals, nor does he recognize hard work.
That's all McConnell's proposal is about ~ for Obama to tell them what to cut and be done with it.
Alas, Obama is too stupid to do that, and the critics here have no idea what was proposed.
That's rule one, rule two is to ALWAYS demand at least twice what need and that leads to, "all that suddenly spare cash" at the end of the year. When does the government's Fiscal year end???
Furthermore, when is the cutoff date for contracts? :)
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