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Polygamist, Under Scrutiny in Utah, Plans Suit to Challenge Law
The New York Times ^ | John Schwartz

Posted on 07/12/2011 12:17:04 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction

Kody Brown is a proud polygamist, and a relatively famous one. Now Mr. Brown, his four wives and 16 children and stepchildren are going to court to keep from being punished for it.

The family is the focus of a reality TV show, “Sister Wives,” that first appeared in 2010. Law enforcement officials in the Browns’ home state, Utah, announced soon after the show began that the family was under investigation for violating the state law prohibiting polygamy.

On Wednesday, the Browns are expected to file a lawsuit to challenge the polygamy law.

The lawsuit is not demanding that states recognize polygamous marriage. Instead, the lawsuit builds on a 2003 United States Supreme Court decision, Lawrence v. Texas, which struck down state sodomy laws as unconstitutional intrusions on the “intimate conduct” of consenting adults. It will ask the federal courts to tell states that they cannot punish polygamists for their own “intimate conduct” so long as they are not breaking other laws, like those regarding child abuse, incest or seeking multiple marriage licenses.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: biglove; homosexualagenda; kodybrown; polyamory; polygamy; sisterwives
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To: NVDave

women in Utah lost their right to vote in 1887 as a result of federal legislation passed in the further zealot prosecution of the anti-polygamy campaign of the time.
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Kid if that were the case three years later in 1890 when the mormons pretended to end polygamy in order to become a state, the women would have got the vote back...

Try again...


41 posted on 07/12/2011 3:34:22 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: panaxanax

One teenager referred to their half sibling as suicidal because of the move. All the adolescents were crying at Christmas because they couldn’t say goodbye to their teachers or friends - because they supposedly had to flee prosecution.

I believe this behavior if predicated on a lie - or not is certainly abuse.

But I have a question for you panaxanax, if you’re on dial up and don’t bother watching reality shows - how can you say with certainty it’s only one married guy with three girl friends? I would think it would be hard to form an opinion without any information.


42 posted on 07/12/2011 3:36:12 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: MizSterious

The one reason I did not bring up religion, is because the Browns refuse to. One would think if you are living the courage of your convictions, you would at least state what those convictions are. But with this group, apparently not.


43 posted on 07/12/2011 3:50:45 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: panaxanax
I still say it’s only one legal marriage and 3 girlfriends and pretty much nobody’s business but their own on how they choose to live. Not yours.

So in essence your opinion is valid but mine - even when backed with facts that you claim you can't see - is not. Spoken like a true drone.

44 posted on 07/12/2011 4:00:45 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: MizSterious

If you don’t like what I post then don’t read it.

Buzz away, little fly.


45 posted on 07/12/2011 4:11:13 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Pebcak

“...how can you say with certainty it’s only one married guy with three girl friends?”

Because Polygamy is illegal. Show me 4 copies of legal Marriage Certficates and then I will agree that he is a Polygamist and should be jailed.

Until then, your argument is moot and seemingly appears to be based on hyper-sensitive female emotions.


46 posted on 07/12/2011 4:19:06 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: MizSterious

If Mormons what to be polygamous,
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Wasn’t this abolished more than a hundred years ago. My Mormon neighbors tell me that if any member is engaged in polygamy they are excommunicated.


47 posted on 07/12/2011 4:20:49 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Pebcak

We’re on dial-up, missy.

Some of us choose to make better use of our time than spending our days watching reality shows and videos via the internet.

Get off the couch and away from that TV and get back in the kitchen and cook your husband some dinner.

Don’t bother to post any more of your bile to me.


48 posted on 07/12/2011 4:26:18 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Crazieman
bestiality and pedophilia legalized

Yup. Isn't that what the 14th Amendment is all about??

49 posted on 07/12/2011 5:08:08 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Pebcak
lulz. OK. I'll post to myself after such a sterling example of the potential for ridicule of FR by those who dislike conservatism. Missy.

To no one in particular: For those on dial up, who wish to watch real non-reality television or are having sister wife problems:

http://www.whatloveisthis.tv/resources.htm

Public service announcement:

Free. You only need to be able to read or have a DVD player.

50 posted on 07/12/2011 5:10:28 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: panaxanax

Sure, UNLESS they’re all on welfare to pay for all the kiddies of these multiple unions.


51 posted on 07/12/2011 5:30:41 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: ConjunctionJunction

MMMMhmmmmm....

How is this guy different than someone who is sleeping with multiple women and knocking them all up? Usually they all go on welfare anyway!

He isn’t “really” married to all of them in the eyes of the law, just the eyes of their “religion”.

And if we can’t tell gays they can’t marry, we can’t tell anyone they can’t marry whomever they want.


52 posted on 07/12/2011 5:35:01 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: panaxanax

How do you know Pebcak doesn’t have a brother husband to do that for her?


53 posted on 07/12/2011 5:39:41 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

LOL :)


54 posted on 07/12/2011 5:46:53 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Pebcak; panaxanax; wintertime; NVDave
For an idea of just how evil polygamy can be, try reading some of the stories here. For Panaxanax, it's accessible even with dialup.
55 posted on 07/12/2011 6:02:57 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Thanks, Miz.

Am I the only one in the free world that is still on dial-up? It’s just not offered out here in the boonies down in our canyon surrounded by mountains and covered with trees.

No need to treat me like a leper. :(

panax


56 posted on 07/12/2011 6:21:27 PM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

You know, it’s OK to be ignorant.

It isn’t OK to be ignorant when the facts are so easily obtained. The women of Utah regained their franchise upon Utah drawing up a state constitution in 1895. That was the only way to regain supremacy over federal legislation and federal case law.


57 posted on 07/12/2011 6:25:17 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Tennessee Nana

Do you know the actual history of the west?

I’m not a Mormon, never have been, but the history on this is really quite clear and, as I said earlier, easily obtained.

Quite frankly, you’re nothing but a bigot.


58 posted on 07/12/2011 6:27:38 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Tennessee Nana

How ironic you should mention Stanton. Here’s her thoughts on the very matter, which I suspect you have not previously read:

http://books.google.com/books?id=xooEAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA284&ots=yPJJUofDP2&dq=elizabeth%20cady%20stanton%20mormon&pg=PA285#v=onepage&q&f=false

NB that she addresses the supposed “the women vote the way they’re told” issue.

And the governor of the Utah territory at that time was a non-Mormon, installed from Washington DC.


59 posted on 07/12/2011 6:34:02 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: ansel12

No, I don’t support polygamy, but that’s the way the case law is now going to go. Court decisions have consequences, and conservatives lost this one quite some time ago because they enshrined the issue of marriage in federal law instead of leaving it to the states. After that was done, all it took was action at the federal level to start chipping away at this issue.

This is the same reason why I don’t support a national CCW reciprocity legislation, nor a national CCW law. I don’t want to give the federal government any more rights.

It is highly amusing (at times) to see how supposed “conservatives” like to tout 10th Amendment rights for states... when it suits them. It is far less amusing to see them chuck federalism and states’ rights overboard as soon as they start dispensing their unctuous moral preening, and then either ironic or dismaying to see how the inevitable “own goal” develops.


60 posted on 07/12/2011 6:37:51 PM PDT by NVDave
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