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Almost half of wind farms onshore refused planning
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 11 July 2011 | Louise Gray

Posted on 07/11/2011 3:00:16 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Almost half of applications for onshore wind farms were rejected last year, as local communities unite to oppose turbines amid concern about their noise and affect on the landscape.

Freedom of Information figures showed 32 applications out of a total 66 for onshore wind farms were turned down for planning permission last year, the lowest number of successful applications since 2005.

In 2009 a third of applications were refused and in 2005 it was just 29 per cent, according to the figures obtained by the commercial law firm McGrigors.

Countryside campaigners say the rise is prompted by growing fears of the impact of not only wind farms but the accompanying plyons on tourism and house prices.

A couple are currently taking a wind farm to the High Court claiming problems with the noise from turbines.

A recent study found green measures, like subsidies for wind farms, are adding 30 per cent to bills, even though protesters claim the technology is inefficient.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: goinggreen
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Wind energy becoming less popular.
1 posted on 07/11/2011 3:00:21 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Off shore is not a good alternative either. Operating cost are 100% higher and lifetime reduced due to salt spray corrosion.

Not to mention all the problems getting the electricity to the shore.


2 posted on 07/11/2011 3:04:06 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. Alea iacta est!)
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To: smokingfrog

They are building them as fast as they can in our area, and no one is objecting...they are running for miles along the interstate and they are well accepted. The ground lease for the towers helps the medicine go down.


3 posted on 07/11/2011 3:04:06 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: smokingfrog

windmills is like taxing the rich... there isn’t enough wind to make it viable, and there aren’t enough rich to pay the rest of our way.


4 posted on 07/11/2011 3:05:13 PM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: smokingfrog
Too bad, the windmills pre-slice birds ready for the dinner table -- spotted owls, falcons, Grey Partridge (although when David Cassidy took to the air is unknown to many of us)

10 mins on the grill, a few minutes on the pan, and we get:

Of course we also can get pre-shredded Song Thrush:

Either way, why would any environmentalist green wienie ever protest the use of slow, energetically painfully difficult to deliver and environmentally "safe" windmills?

5 posted on 07/11/2011 3:10:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: smokingfrog

great place to fish, under the wind turbines...the blender effect on sea birds makes for a potent chum....


6 posted on 07/11/2011 3:16:30 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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7 posted on 07/11/2011 3:21:30 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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8 posted on 07/11/2011 3:23:58 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: rokkitapps; newgeezer

Wind Power is quite viable.


9 posted on 07/11/2011 3:26:08 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (My dad put his arm around me like that once, to this very day he wears orthopedic shirts.)
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To: musicman

LOL!

Great example of how enviroweenies can’t possibly be consistent.


10 posted on 07/11/2011 3:29:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: DungeonMaster

heh. no.


11 posted on 07/11/2011 3:30:39 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: DungeonMaster

>>Wind Power is quite viable.<<

It is a slow and ponderous energy source. It may wok in very narrow circumstances but it isn’t a replacement for oil or nuclear (as if the latter will survive the current PC “destroy the observatory” generation”).


12 posted on 07/11/2011 3:32:18 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: DungeonMaster

Wind may indeed be viable for specific applications, but replacing coal or even nuclear is not going to happen.


13 posted on 07/11/2011 3:33:45 PM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: freedumb2003

I guess I was still hungry — r/wok/work/

But I am hoping to sample some golden falcon from the wind farm yonder...


14 posted on 07/11/2011 3:34:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

“Slow and ponderous”?


15 posted on 07/11/2011 3:34:37 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (My dad put his arm around me like that once, to this very day he wears orthopedic shirts.)
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To: rokkitapps
but replacing coal or even nuclear is not going to happen.

That's now the near term goal.

16 posted on 07/11/2011 3:36:42 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (My dad put his arm around me like that once, to this very day he wears orthopedic shirts.)
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To: DungeonMaster

>>“Slow and ponderous”?<<

Useful energy requires explosive release of electrons which we perceive as power.

Solar and wind are basically storing slow energy hoping that time will replace explosiveness — with limited possible redistribution properties.

Which is why it is fun to watch, revenue neutral, and bird-hackingly appetizing.


17 posted on 07/11/2011 3:39:39 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003
Useful energy requires explosive release of electrons which we perceive as power. Solar and wind are basically storing slow energy hoping that time will replace explosiveness — with limited possible redistribution properties.

That doesn't even make sense. "slow energy"? Electrons travel through copper or aluminum at the same speed irrespective of what gives them the potential charge.

18 posted on 07/11/2011 3:43:16 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (My dad put his arm around me like that once, to this very day he wears orthopedic shirts.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Very true. I found this link below.

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae69.cfm

Question

How fast do electrons travel when moving as an electrical current through copper wire?

Answer

The actual velocity of electrons through a conductor is measured as an average speed called drift speed. This is because individual electrons do not continue through the conductor in straight line paths, but instead they move in a random zig-zag motion, changing directions as they collide with atoms in the conductor. Thus, the actual drift speed of these electrons through the conductor is very small in the direction of current.

For example, the drift speed through a copper wire of cross-sectional area 3.00 x 10-6 m2, with a current of 10 A will be approximately 2.5 x 10-4 m/s or about a quarter of a milimeter per second.

So how does an electrical device turn on near instantaneously? If you think of a copper wire as a pipe completely filled with water, then forcing a drop of water in one end will result in a drop at the other end being pushed out very quickly. This is analogous to initiating an electric field in a conductor.

Answered by: Matt G., Engineering Student, University of Texas at Austin and Anton Skorucak, PhysLink.com Editor


19 posted on 07/11/2011 4:23:49 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH"! I choose LIBERTY and PALIN!)
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To: DungeonMaster

Wind Power is quite viable.

...if you happen to be a sail boat, and not in the doldrums.


20 posted on 07/11/2011 4:31:53 PM PDT by wita
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